What (DW) are you currently watching? (Part 2)

I finished “Warriors’ Gate”, 3/10.

I found very few standout elements, among them I liked that the villains are just “space slavers”, 4th had some good moments as did Romana, and I don’t usually like K9 but here he was quite good, and lastly I loved the effects.

Romana’s departure was terrible, Adric didn’t do much and felt unnecessary most of the time, I didn’t like the Tharils at all. The plot moved very slowly.

I feel like the story had potential but it could have been much better than what we got.

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Kept thinking let’s get back to classic who

I ignored my brain and put on the ghost monument

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So I’ve sort of hit a lull in my New Who rewatch, as I reached series 6’s The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People.

I was really excited for this one going in, as I didn’t remember much about it. 11, Amy and Rory stepping out of the TARDIS, believing for a second they’re in medieval times (but then Rory hears a Dusty Springfield song playing) that was all new to me, so I was really excited.

Unfortunately there was a reason why I don’t tend to pick this one for a rewatch.

There’s just something missing from this story, and I can’t quite put my finger on it. I don’t think anything there is particularly bad (and the cast is brilliant! The Eleven and Chris from Life and Mars!!) but there’s just something missing that I can’t quite figuring out.

Going to finish it today, then read your guys reviews on it. Hopefully something there will help me.

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The Pyramid at the End of World

I’ve tended to have mixed feelings on this one, but really enjoyed on this rewatch. Let’s be clear, it IS a step down from the excellence of Oxygen and Extremis, but it is also very enjoyable. I respect that it dares to be different, bizarre even, and love the idea of the Doomsday Clock being used to indicate the severity of the situation. I’m one of the contributors to the data used to calculate the annual Environmental Doomsday Clock (with an explicit focus on issues such as climate change, biosphere integrity etc.) so it, perhaps, has particular resonance for me.

The Monks continue to be menacing and rather different as a threat and I love the concept of the strands of future history. The concept of consent is a planetary scale example of coercive control. The weak spot for me? The venting of the laboratory to the atmosphere. Utterly nonsensical (and I have familiarity working in BSL-3 labs). I’ll give it a hand-wave on the grounds that Harness needed a way to get to catastrophe and limited time to achieve this. That said, there were smarter ways to achieve this. Far more likely would be a failure in effluent decontamination. There were other alternatives also.

Anyway, the Doctor was wonderful once again and the story was generally extremely watchable. Plus, isn’t Erica great?

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This has always been my feeling of this story. I think the premise and even the Tharils (sorta, kinda) have so much potential, but it just doesn’t deliver. If there’s one story that I want to like, but don’t, it’s got to be this one.

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Started my first full New Who rewatch in about 10 years, but life’s been busy, so I’m only now nearing the end of series 1. I think in the past I’ve taken for granted how consistent of a season this is, with really good character arcs. It’s really good at providing a feeling of the impact travelling with the doctor would have on an ‘ordinary’ person.

Yesterday I watched Boom Town again and I think it’s quite underrated. Giving us a story where the villain is (sort of) defeated right at the start provides a lot of opportunity to examine the consequences of the Doctor’s actions. Annette Badland is very good at making you unsure of what Blon’s true intentions are. I love the dinner scenes.
Also, I think both Rose and Mickey are very well written as flawed characters capable of unlikeable actions. It humanises them a lot.

I just wish we got more on screen adventures with Nine, Rose and Jack. The glimpses we get of their dynamic in this episode are so much fun, and it’s a shame that it’s gone so soon after this point, especially because I think there’s basically no chance at all to hear this pairing in Big Finish again…

Which brings me to the most difficult part of this rewatch so far: removing the art from the artist, since every male companion in series 1 had been embroiled in some sort of heinous activity. I genuinely think Noel Clarke gave a great performance in this episode, much improved from his appearances earlier on in the season, but praising his performance nonetheless feels extremely icky.

Horrible real life realisations aside though, I really liked this episode. 8/10 I think.

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I too am doing my first new who rewatch in about a decade! Welcome to the club!

Who are your favourite NewWho doctors/eras?

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I’ll admit that I haven’t done a full watchthrough of New Who since I first started watching the show a few years back. I wasn’t aware of a lot of the behind-the-scenes drama at the time, but I don’t think my enjoyment of the stories has lessened (well, my opinion on certain episodes has changed, separate to the actors involved).

I kind of wish we had more Nine-Rose-Jack interactions as well. I wonder if Eccleston had agreed to stay on past series 1, we could have seen that - in that alternate reality, Jack might not have been written out in the finale. On one hand, it would rob us of Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways, which is (IMO) one of the best stories in the entire RTD era, but it’d be interesting to see how series 2 and beyond change with that.

I also see you’re new to the forum, so welcome! You might want to head over to Introductions and introduce yourself to us all (you also get verified as a bonus :D )

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Favourite Doctor’s probably 12, my favourite era is either 11’s or 12’s. But I do have to say I have developed a real love for 13’s era, warts and all. It just has so much… stuff :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Yeah one of my aims for this rewatch is to hopefully completely reevaluate the 13/Chibnall era, as I absolutely adore her in the Big Finish audios!

And hopefully reevaluate the Ncuti era, which I never really disliked anyway. A lot of solid stuff there and I had a lot of fun each week.

Can’t wait to reach it!!

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I wasn’t a huge fan of the era, and nor were most of my friends, but I felt quite disheartened that I didn’t click with it when others did. So a couple years back me and my friend both decided to rewatch it all together in the aim of finding something good from it, so we went in with a clean slate and since the era had ended we knew more about what Chibnall tried to achieve. Since he didn’t really state enough going into the era how much of a change it’d be I think it caught people off guard, myself included.

Doing a rewatch knowing it would be more Classic Who-esque and stripped back Who, and appreciating the change they wanted from the music amongst other things I just fell in love with it. I found myself really warming to 13 more especially finding out she was written to be more neurodivergent presenting than other incarnations, and since I’d also recently found out I was too. Sorry, bit of a ramble :sweat_smile:

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No don’t apologise for the ramble! It was a joy to read, and made me really hopeful for my rewatch!

That’s what I’m aiming to do: go in with a clean slate!

Plus, when you start a doctor’s era, they have to win you round. Smith did it immediately for me, Capaldi took some warming up to (I think it was a couple episodes before I clicked with him) and Ncuti won me round with a single wink, during his cameo in An Adventure in Time and Space!

But Big Finish have sold me on 13, so I’m hoping this rewatch will go a lot more smoothly and I’ll see what I didn’t before/have more fun!

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There’s always the Titan Comics Ninth Doctor run (which we’ve covered in Comics > Comic Club if you want to see some of our thoughts) and the last three of the six Ninth Doctor novels from the BBC New Series Adventures line (which we’ve covered in Books > Book Club).

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Sore from gardening and watching A Good Man Goes to War!

That Colonel Runaway thing is brutal. My god, 11!!

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Accidentally deleted my draft on this, let’s see how much I remember. Planet of the Ood. Hold up, this story is a Raiders of the Lost Ark situation, where the plot would have happened essentially the same way without the involvement of our lead characters (I know, not the point of Raiders, it’s still a good movie, but bear with me). Ood Sigma was already working on turning Halpen into an Ood, Dr. Ryder would have easily been able to shut down the Circle after that was complete, the unprocessed Ood were able to telepathically control things like the red-eye and such on their own. All of this was already in place and happening before the Doctor and Donna showed up. The Doctor and Donna actually don’t do very much in this story, they’re rather just the audience’s lens into seeing the story as it plays out. What makes this story still pretty good is the effective portrayal of just how horrible things are for the Ood, and character work involved, especially for Donna.

As an apology for the handling of the Ood in The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit, where they were depicted as slaves who were happy about it before they were unceremoniously killed off as Krop Tor fell into the black hole, this episode gets the job done. They don’t shy away from how terribly they’re treated. They’re shot, whipped, threatened to be gassed, lobotomized, locked up in shipping containers, separated from their hive mind they need to survive properly, their big brain disrespected and risked being damaged by people getting thrown in them or shots of Ood graft getting poured into it (though that last one might have been ok, putting Ood in Ood). They’re very much saying, “no, the Ood are slaves, and no slave wants to be that way, why would you think they would?”

Donna is very good in this story. If last time was an appetizer for the horrible things out there for her to see, this was her first main course. The big scene is in the cage, where the Doctor unlocks her mind for her to hear the Ood’s song of captivity. (Speaking of which, great work from Murray Gold, the Ood songs of captivity and freedom are among my favorite of his tracks.) Donna really sells just how terrible it all is from her reaction. And in turn, that also really gets across the pain and suffering the Ood feel that is harder to get across with just their own tentacly, alien faces. Some of the moments in this one are a huge part of what sold me on her character beyond just the sassy and loud Catherine Tate comedy stuff. Not that she didn’t have great moments before, like the “just save someone,” but she’s just excellent throughout this one. Still has some of her humorous aspects like the stuff with the coat and comparing the TARDIS to a rocket, but that’s mixed with the cage scene and telling Halpen off about how the Ood had to be peaceful given their condition and some other moments.

The other characters are a bit less of a stand out. Halpen is just your typical evil businessman that the show has done before with little to make him particularly unique. Though, I will say the part where he turns into an Ood, peeling his skin off, coughing up the extra brain, was really cool. Maybe a bit graphic, but still cool. Dr. Ryder is one of the good guys of course, but has very little to do. Commander Kess is ridiculously over-the-top kinds of sadistic and cruel in a way that’s beyond believable. Sometimes that can work, but I really don’t think it does here. He’s “always wanted” to play the claw game to kill someone? Really? That is very specific. Still, I like the poetic justice as he gets gassed by the Ood, just like he was about to do to them. And then there’s Solana, someone who is pretty high on my most hated Who characters list. She’s so bad because she’s the type who knows everything that’s going on, but doesn’t care. She even tries to justify hiding the full extent of Ood Operations’ actions by saying people “don’t ask.” The willfully ignorant or the people who are just willing to let something like this slide because it gets them a paycheck are some of the worst people just in life, Solana being very realistic in that regard. And just to top it off, the Doctor and Donna give her a chance to do the right thing, and she decides to call the guards on them anyway. When the Ood gets her I’m practically cheering.

As I alluded to, the Doctor and Donna are kind of just along for the ride, learning things as we do, and not ultimately doing much in this episode, but it is still fun and satisfying to see the revolution unfold around them. Someone who prefers the main characters to have a more direct role in how the story plays out may not care for this one as much though. I like seeing the Ood rise up and be free, I like seeing the slave owners get what’s coming to them. They do suggest that as soon as the circle is broken that all the Ood across the empire are free in that moment, and I don’t see that as being realistic. Just like those in power are reluctant to part with it, slave owners are reluctant to give them up. I think they should have made it clear that while they may have shut down OO, there was still going to be the struggle of helping to free the Ood that are already owned by so many throughout the empire. I also really think the Doctor shouldn’t have taken the moment away from Ood Sigma to throw the switch that freed the Ood brain, Sigma absolutely should have gotten to do it. I think as well as being a bit of a convenient resolution a lot of the rest of the story is a bit predictable.

I’ll stick with a 7/10 for this one, it’s still pretty good, but stops a bit short of great.

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Funnily enough I came here to comment on Planet of the Ood, but my post isn’t as in depth or eloquent as the above comment.

I just wanted to say that as a big Mr Colchester fan, it was great seeing Paul Clayton in the beginning of this episode.

I’m just not sure why he’s so sweaty :sweat_smile: I never saw Mr Colchester as a sweaty guy.

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Finished The Power of Three. Yeah, the ending is as flat as I remember. 3/5

Next we watched The Angles Take Manhattan. This is one I like, but that’s about it. It should be an easy 4 for me. It has River, Angels, creepy babies, and an angry Doctor. Sadly it just doesn’t live up to its potential. I find from the moment that Rory and Amy are on the roof, until Amelia, I just lose interest and await the end credits. 3.5/5, but mostly for River and the Angels.

Series 7A is such a mess. It has some fun and interesting ideas, but it just fails to deliver on the potential, and just delivers middling serials IMO. It feels like placeholder episodes until Clara arrives. I have always said that Eleven/Matt Smith is my favourite of the Revival era, but I’ve realised it is him, not necessarily the serials he is in.

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Well, after singing Boom Town’s praises, I’m going against the grain a bit once again after watching Bad Wolf. It’s not horrible, but I do think the episode is mostly meandering for the first 80% of its runtime.

Let’s start off with the biggest problem first: I do not care for any of the TV show parodies. The most egregious offender here are the Weakest Link sections: did we really need multiple rounds of a fake space quiz? All Rose does in this episode is answer quiz questions while looking concerned, and there’s only so much even Billie Piper can do with that. It doesn’t help that the only other relevant character in these scenes is a flat, one-dimensional portrayal of an opportunistic guy wanting money.
Jack’s makeover show doesn’t fare much better: he’s reduced to an innuendo machine, leading to a silly tone that makes the threat feel non-existent. Although, yes, I will admit that him having a gun on him is a good bit.
The Big Brother segments are probably the best of the bunch, partly because the Doctor does not stick around the house too long, and partly because Lynda with a Y is a character that was immediately as endearing to me as she was to Nine. But even here, it does feel like the show is desperate to make you say ‘I recognise that! I know that from TV!’.

Apart from this, it doesn’t help that this episode is tied closely to what I would consider to be the worst episode of the season: The Long Game. Satellite Five still feels like the same drab, boring setting that it was in that episode, complete with pretty flat characters who run the station.

Thankfully, the final stretch of the episode turns things around considerably: everything after Rose’s ‘death’ feels like a completely new, reinvigorated episode.
I love Nine and Jack taking charge, showing that they are an incredibly effective pairing when not quibbling about small stuff.
I love that Nine, even filled with grief for Rose, never even considers using his gun. It’s a small moment, but it really cements Nine as one of the most pure-hearted incarnations of the Doctor.
And of course, I love the Dalek reveal. It’s what this season was always building towards and it doesn’t disappoint. Eccleston’s performance really makes you feel his despair and Murray Gold’s score does an excellent job of selling the enormity of the threat as well. The ‘no’ speech at the end is, of course, another classic, leaving the episode on a rousing, inspired note.

It’s just a shame that all of that good stuff happens in the last ten minutes. I genuinely think that without those last 10 minutes, this would have easily been my least favourite episode of the season, probably a 5 or lower. As it stands, I’ll leave it at a 7/10.

Mind you, all of this is just about Bad Wolf: from what I remember, Parting of the Ways is brilliant! I’ll check back in again later this week to see if I remembered correctly…

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