Episode Discussion: The War Games in Colour

Honestly, this might be my favourite review I’ve done!

The War Games In Colour - 6/10

This is an interesting one, there’s a lot to like, a lot to not like, so instead of a normal rambly review, I’m going to format this one

The Good: The colourisation is incredible, everything is so much more vivid, and it makes the contrast between the war zones, the war room, and the ending segment with the Time Lords even more stark. The War Lord’s glasses being tinted red especially was a touch that I just adored. The colourised intro sequence was also an unexpected delight, and I loved that they also kept the The War Games title too, colouring it and the explosions.

While I’ll speak more on it later, there’s some elements I really enjoyed with the cutdown, having the scientist’s monologue explaining the reprogramming partly cut over footage of people in the war zones was a great way to make that scene more visually interesting and reuse some of the footage that would otherwise go to waste.

I can understand criticisms with the music choice, but I think I felt the emotional aspect of Jamie and Zoe’s departure moreso here than I did in the original, it just worked for me quite well.

The ‘regeneration’ scene is brilliant, I love that the faces were all coloured differently as they spin around, the extra colour and effects really give that scene a little extra flair that wasn’t needed, but is an absolute delight to have. and on a similar note, the NuWho faces showing up as Two comments on potential new faces is just delightful (though a shame it’s only NuWho ones).

There’s a few new CG shots in there that I think really elevate the piece, a few exterior shots of the war room, some shots of a TARDIS in flight, some images of Gallifrey. Generally just a little bit of added visual interest on contextualising the setting which I love.

And lastly that new regeneration scene is great, you genuinely wouldn’t be able to tell that the performances were cobbled together from other parts of the show, and the nod to the UNIT Dating controversy is just such a fun little part to add.

The Bad: The music is far too loud in a lot of scenes and can make it harder to hear what the characters are saying, plus a lot of it being newer tracks created a little bit of a disconnect for me.

The main issue however is of course the pacing. The War Games is ten 25 min episodes, being generous with time allowed for titles and such, that’s a 200 minute story cut down to 90 minutes, and it unfortunately shows. A lot of things feel completely rushed, or you can tell when there’s some obvious cuts (the exterior shot of the war room is used more than a couple of times in an attempt to hide them, but the more it happens the more obvious it is). I can understand the reasoning for cutting it down, making it more appealing to modern audiences and not requiring 3+ hours of colourisation, but 90 minutes is just far too short for a story of this magnitude, you don’t really get any space to breathe. I could see a 150 minute cut working well, possibly a bit shorter than that, but it really does need that extra time to flow and give more attention to the characters, the rivalry between The War Chief and The Security Chief is a delight to watch in the original for example, and here it’s pretty much just glossed over entirely.

The Ugly Downright Strange: I have absolutely no idea where to put this, but I find the choice to use The Master’s Theme for The War Chief to be really interesting. Expanded media has of course given countless contradictory accounts of the nature of The Master’s relationship with The War Chief (hell, sometimes adaptations of the same story disagree in the case of Goth Opera). I assumed that this adaptation would continue to simply ignore any connection, so this surprised me. Not really much to say good or bad about it, just that it’s interesting.

Conclusion. Overall I think this is a much weaker story than The War Games, but I’m extremely glad it exists. I’m not always in the mood to sit down and watch three hours of television, and no matter how good The War Games is, that’s still a fatal flaw for it. I think a lot of the updates work to this story’s benefit, and I think I’m more likely to rewatch this than I am The War Games, even if I do think it’s the inferior version.

It’s absolutely not a perfect comparison in the slightest, but I think of it in a similar way to The Lord of The Rings. The Extended Editions give you so much more and are probably better overall, but I don’t always want to sit down and watch 11 and a half hours of film, sometimes I just want to kick back and throw on the theatrical Fellowship of The Ring.

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I love the original War Games, but this version is superior to the original IMO.

As fantastic as The War Games is, it has a lot of padding due to its long runtime. This 90 minute cut streamlines it a lot more, and as a result gives it a much stronger pace.

I think this is the version I will probably turn to going forward when I want to watch The War Games.

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The fan edit I watched was far better than this Even though it also did the same dumb reference future doctors thing, it was 47 minutes longer
The colorization was great though

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I’m one of the first people to say that classic who did need to be edited down but the way they did it just felt really sloppy
They also put in new music for no reason

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LOVED IT! Definitely some bits where the editing got slightly frantic or it lost bits that I missed but I think it did very well for how much they had to cut it down, and I think it especially did well with intercutting some scenes in order to get more material into the short run time. Colorization was, of course, excellent, and I liked most of the new music, though the mix was definitely a bit off sometimes (and I hate that they tried to use it to support one of the worst fan theories). Also really enjoyed the new regen! Looked a bit weird at points but it added an energy that I liked and I think it was a neat addition to this new version. And my wife who’s seen basically no Classic enjoyed it and had no real issue following it, so the edit is successful on that front.

The original is a 4.5-star story for me, and I think I’d give this one 4 stars, just because it does lose a decent bit in the edit. But I’d very gladly rewatch this if I want to revisit the story without giving quite so much time to it.

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As others have said the colourisation was great, and in most parts excellent, and a handful of times just perfect.

Sceptical about trimming it down so much, I was even pleasantly surprised to see that, actually, The War Games could work edited down. I’d still say 90 minutes is daft though, but a 2 hour version could work just fine.

As well as thinking the editing didn’t work too well in cutting it down so much, the soundtrack was the biggest let down for me. At the risk of sounding like my elderly father, I just felt shouted at for an hour and a half. When the music was pared back (all too rarely) it was noticeable and a blessed relief.

The colourising was far superior to The Daleks from last year and the editing of the story I’d say was a bit of a step up too, but I can’t say I thought it was a success, not with the finished result being what it was. As I said, seeing how a trimmed down version of The War Games could work, this isn’t from a place of grumpy devotion to the original (as was said above, that ain’t going anywhere and we’ll always have it), it’s from a place of thinking that last night’s version was, in parts and mostly because of the soundtrack editing, borderline unwatchable.

So yes, TL;DR - soundtrack issues for me, colourisation was in some places astonishing and even though I now concede a shorter omnibus of The War Games can work, it’s still daft to make it quite that short.

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Just watched this before work. Not that bad, but not great.

The colourisation was excellent. Outside of a few instances, it was pretty much flawless.

I’m not a fan of modern CGI in older media, so that put me off a bit. The sound mixing was pretty bad. The music made me turn the volume down a few times.

The cut-down nature may appeal to newer fans, but I rather enjoy the longer nature of the OG serial.

I probably won’t watch this again, but I will be getting the Blu-ray for both the OG serial and completion sake.

3/5

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I won’t regurgitate the review, but it was a 7/10 for me. While it’s not perfect, I’m really grateful it exists. I’m really excited to hear what my sister thinks. She is someone who has never been able to engage with classic Doctor Who because of its pacing - I suspect she is the target audience.

Looking forward to reading everyone else’s reviews.

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Watched the beginning of it and I must say that it looks fantastic. The colours are great. Will write more when I have seen the whole thing.

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I’m not sure why fandom is getting its knickers in a twist over the suggestion that the War Chief might be… oh come on, this is no spoiler, it’s been debated for decades now… that he might be the Master.

Well, okay, if you don’t like that idea then it is easily dismissed. It was just a couple of musical stings to suggest the idea. It’s not as if they showed Edward Brayshaw regenerate into Roger Delgado. When you think that in recent years we’ve had a whole season dedicated to making a silly sight-gag from The Brain of Morbius canon, I really don’t see cause for complaint here.

Anyway, every right-minded fan knows they are one and the same, so there. :wink:

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@Doctor_Roo I’m not really mad at you, there’s just no reaction emoji to indicate disappointment or disagreement. I personally don’t subscribe that the War Chief and the Master are the same Time Lord. I like that they’re separate individuals. And I find it amusing that at different times Terrence Dicks hinted that they were the same and then in Timeworn: Exodus equated them as different.

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Morbius faces were never a sight gag though, that’s a bit of a false equivalency. It was always the intention to suggest there were Doctors before Hartnell, Chibnall just gave it more possible context. It was never suggested on screen that the War Chief and the Master are the same person, aside from some possible authorial intent that never made it to screen. But you are right in that it’s easily discountable, as is any change they made in TWGIC.

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It’s a theory that I’ve never liked because what makes the Master interesting to me is their history with the Doctor and the way that history informs their relationship, and I just don’t get any sense that the Doctor and the War Chief have ever met before. I’m not really up in arms about the music here because, well, it’s just music in an alternate version of the story, so hardly explicitly canonizing the idea, plus I think the music does just fit well, but I’m still not happy about the implication.

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Well the War Chief immediately recognized the Doctor. Whether he knows the Doctor personally, or just knew he was a Time Lord is unclear. I don’t like them being the same because it just makes the universe that little bit smaller, by giving us just one fewer distinct Time Lord character.

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Welp, I finally got around watching it and…
I didnt like it. And I really went in with an open mind, I was skeptical, even more than I was with The Daleks and well… if anything the Colors here look stunning. And I am happy they didn’t used too many wild Colors, as they did with The Daleks, our Tardis Team feels so strange seeing them in all the brown and green setting.
That being said… somehow the Edit is worse for me, while it starts out very solid with its first 30-40 minutes, it starts to rush more and more. With such a huge Cast in the Story, we miss out a lot of great Character Moments, some Characters just appear out of nowhere! Especially this great part of the Original, where we slowly build up a new threat to another threat to another, and the Resistance feel barely like Characters here.
I understand they couldn’t and wouldn’t do all Episodes in Color, but why pick this one and remove so many great bits? While not as harsh as The Daleks, I would imagine a new viewer would look at their screen and think they missed something.
The Music, while being good on its own, it doesn’t work for me for the most part. It gets too loud at times and I miss the more eerie soundtrack of the Original. It feels like an attempt to make the War Games more like a NuWho Episode. Which is just a bit of a dumb idea, because while I am all for alternative Versions of classic Serials, taking one of the LEAST NuWho Era and trying to make it more like it, just doesn’t work and at best is just jarring, at worst just feels a bit sloppy.
As for some extra bits that got added here:
The CGI Shots look good, but don’t mix too well overall.
Having the Master Themes over the War Chief is annoying. Headcanon fun aside, I wish they wouldn’t have done this, since it MIGHT lead to future appearances of the War Chief just being an early Master. It makes the Universe feel smaller for me and I preferred the ambiguity of it all.
Showing off some future Faces is a fun idea, but done a bit sloppy. Just having those quite famous promo pictures seems charming on first glance, but the more I think about it, the more I dislike it. Why is 12 shown here, when 12 based his face on somebody he would later meet, for example. I understand Who isn’t the most consistent with some of its own canon, but I wish they have done it differently. Perhaps even more in the style of the Original, where it’s drawing of future Doctors. (How they have done it and who they chose is more a nitpick than a real criticism point, although I really wish they went a bit differently about it).
The Regeneration is good, but I still preferred the original attempt, even through it’s quite a morbid note to end the Story on. But it’s still really well-made and nice way to end this alternative take on this Story.

Overall, I understand this Story isn’t for me and that’s okay, but I really hope as they continue with this range that they learn and find some way to improve on some technical issues (please don’t overdo with the music, please!)
I also hope they won’t do TOO MUCH of those slight Implications, there is a lot of fun with some ambiguity.

Glad to see that many see it differently and enjoyed it overall! Not sure if I rate it higher than the Daleks but the back and forth cutting works MUCH better here for sure, even if I am not totally in love with how they have done it.

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I think making the War Chief an early Master makes the Whoniverse ever so slightly smaller and just doesn’t quite fit with what we know about the Doctor and the Master’s relationship. As I understand it, the theory stems from two places- the FASA role play and an ancient article in DWM. But it seems mainly based in the fact he’s a Time Lord and he has a goatee…

Watched the beginning of this but got interrupted. I thought it amusing that the colourisation makes the backdrop outside the chateau windows very obviously two dimensional but it is a very impressive job. Not as convinced by some of the edits which just seem a bit rough in places.

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It is something that was intended by the original writers Malcolm Hulke and Terrance Dicks, which they nod to in their novelizations. For me personally I dont care either way but for someone who does it’s easy to ignore

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Was it and is it? Terrance obviously changed his mind then!

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I watched it now and I liked it. The edit-down version works fine and if you want the original is still there. The colour looked great and I liked the new regeneration scene. I thought that the nods to New Who were fun. I had a great time. I just love Troughtons Doctor!

I’m not as observant as some of you and did not think about the master music.

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I watched it just now, and it’s… hard to say. The pacing seems a bit rushed. The music is mostly pretty good, but the master music seems out of place — too often and too abrupt. So are the cuts to Gallifrey lanscape. :weary: The way they used future incarnations of the doctor and dressed the UNIT dating problem is hilarious. Always good to see Troughton’s performance. I think I’ll have to rewatch the original serial soon to compare

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