Episode Discussion: The Robot Revolution

I read something once (think it was in a Black Archive) where the author said that any so-called plot holes or continuity errors that can be solved with a simple line addition or a ready resolution in the viewer’s head are not really plot holes or continuity errors at all - just space for the imagination. I’m firmly in that camp unless it’s obviously a problem. It’s easy enough that the Doctor may have mentioned the TARDIS to Belinda off-screen. It’s not exactly a deal breaker for me.

And, who knows (other than RTD and the production team)? There may well be a reason that is explained by the end of the season anyway. I can’t be the only one to remember the furore about continuity errors regarding the Doctor’s jacket in The Time of Angels (which would have been trickier to wave away) that were beautifully explained by the end of the finale.

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My boyyy lost his auraaa

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I think something people are forgetting is that this episode was told mainly from Belinda’s point of view. Belinda didn’t see the friendship that was built and lost by the Doctor, so we didn’t either as an audience. That’s intentional, and I think that actually works in getting us to see and understand her point of view, how a good deal of time happened without her knowledge. Plus, it’s a simple enough thing to understand losing a friend and how that can affect someone, so I don’t really know why we necessarily needed to see more to feel the emotional impact of it, especially when you consider that it’s someone Belinda didn’t really know either, and the episode is framed in terms of her perspective.

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El Sandifer has a good review I largely agree with. (I’m terrible at writing reviews, so it’s been nice to spend some of the day reading a range of them, here and elsewhere!)

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The real point of sloppiness in this is the “they can’t hear every ninth word” thing, a rule that seems to only exist when characters need to communicate something in secret in front of the robots, and doesn’t seem especially needed in either of the cases where it matters.

I completely missed this, I enjoyed the whole 9th word gimmick and I don’t think reading this changes that, but I can see how if I noticed it’s not really consistent, it could bother me a lot.

Give me 45 minutes of Doctor Who that vaporizes cats.

This reviewer scares me :fearful:

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Thing is it doesn’t just exist then, as every ninth word of what the “AI Generator” was saying before the Doctor revealed the ninth word gimmick also had a message in it.

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Yeah, that was quite good. This was the episode I was least excited for and there was still a lot to love - whelming, but in a good way.

Anyway LUX NEXT WEEK WOOOO

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I did some updates to the Story page :blush:

New image! I think this is a lot cooler.

Added some more characters.

And the greatest quote I’ve ever added to the site:

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New Earth at least treats cats with just as much respect.

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Yay, all the characters I wanted added were added!

We do need more media with the Polish Bot, though. Maybe the events of the episode from Polish Bot’s perspective…

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I love that Scoot has his own TARDIS Guide character page :star_struck:

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I did not expect to write so much about an episode of telly I didn’t enjoy. For the benefit of all concerned, including myself, I will not be doing so again :laughing:

Better than Space Babies. But then again, dysentery is better than Space Babies so maybe not the best compliment.

Summary

Initially what surprised me was Belinda. I expected to love her from the off but I didn’t. Maybe that’s partly my fault with having high expectations & hoping for a great companion for this Doctor, that it might help me connect with him.

Belinda does become a good character, but it took me a while to warm to her. Partly because some of the dialogue is shoddy & just feels like RTD has forgotten how real people speak - her reaction to being kidnapped is basically ■■■■■■■ odd. She doesn’t seem surprised at all, just slightly annoyed by it. It’s silly but not in a good way. No sense of danger at all. She carries on like this for a bit, I only started to feel like she was becoming a real person when she said to the Doctor “don’t shush me!”, from here on I can see the beginnings of an interesting dynamic between the pair. A relationship that actually has some character drama, we stop for a moment but don’t worry RTD will soon move on to some other thing. He just has to set up another mystery girl idea.

It all looks OK I guess, some decent production design but as with S1 not the huge leap in quality from the previous era. & because everything moves at such a pace I never felt like I got to engage with the world & characters here. Feels like a speed run through the story. & it’s not like I’m one of those old people who complains about TV being too fast now. I watch plenty of shows that manage to contain nuanced character moments, drama & action with the same running time.

Here the tone is weird, as if nothing really matters that much. As if RTD thinks, as long as we keep up the energy no one will have time to notice how average it all is. He only stops when he has no other option, at least I should be thankful he doesn’t want the whole thing to be incoherent.

& do I really need to mention Murray Gold? Some of his cues are just awful. That opening hospital scene for example. It feels like a crutch RTD relies on to add drama that’s lacking in the writing. But also often feels out of place. & SO MUCH OF IT. Please can we have maybe 60 seconds that aren’t swaddled in score. It feels intrusive rather than complimentary. I guess MG gets paid by the note?

& yes I am going to talk about crying. It happened so often in S1 that it became not only a trope of this Doctor but lost its impact. & of course it’s not real crying, it’s TV crying, turning away from everyone, looking stoically sad & a single tear rolling down his cheek. Also, for Doctor Who this was a moment, he was friends with Sasha 55 for what 6 months? For me the viewer. Didn’t even get to know her as a real person let alone feel the friendship between her & 15. So I don’t care. Especially given the impatience of this episode to constantly move forward, seemingly afraid to let any moment sit for a while or have a genuine sense of impact in case audiences get bored. It’s off & on to the next bit. Like quickly flicking through a comic book.

Oh & “it’s not AI its AL” Huge eyeroll moment, awww RTD & your wordplay again! There’s probably a good episode to be made that critique’s incel culture, sadly this isn’t it. Does RTD even know what an incel is? Or has he just read a Guardian article? But we did get an enjoyably strange psychedelic moment. & then it’s all over & we have another puzzle person for Doctor Who to solve.

But at least Belinda challenges this & the Doctor, & feels more a real person rather than a plot device. Varada Sethu is definitely the highlight of this episode. Maybe this would have worked better as a two-parter? Give the Alan & Belinda relationship more room to develop so his surprise return had some kind of impact. & given the rest of the story more drama. But when you only have 8 episodes I guess that’s impossible.

The literal earth shattering tease at the end? Well, here we go again with another magic button/reset. Zero peril.

As for Mrs Flood? Just annoyingly tiresome tbh, & after all that Ruby mystery nonsense where RTD just trolled the audience & didn’t play fair, ‘ooh look I’m subverting expectations!’ I just don’t care. Maybe I would if the character actually did something rather than just break the 4th wall & basically say, “I’m bloody mysterious me ain’t I?”

Based on what I’ve seen so far of the RTD2/15th Doctor era it just isn’t for me. The writing is generally bad, feeling like first drafts. The tone reminds me of the end of RTDs first era, smug & with an unearned sense of self-satisfaction & aren’t-we-all-so-clever-&-amazing. I wasn’t excited at all about his return. But what I didn’t expect was slapdash underwritten stories that feel like chunks of plot & character moments are missing. Then again I guess it does take a certain amount of skill to create something that is both fast paced & boring.

I hope those episodes with new writers are better, Belinda is potentially a great companion especially compared to her bland predecessor so deserves some great stories. Varada Sethu is a much better actress than Millie Gibson. Ncuti? Well he’s Ncuti. A very charismatic screen presence but still doesn’t have that special something that makes me think he’s a good Doctor Who. Again as with most of my issues it comes down to the writing.

I’ll wait now until the whole season has dropped, or maybe the week before the finale airs & binge it. Similar to what I did with 12’s era, catching up now & again rather than weekly appointment-to-view telly. & like then I’m sure I’ll fall in love with the show all over again when the next era arrives.

In short, 2 out of 5. Because in its current form Doctor Who is unremarkable, feels like just another sci-fi/fantasy tv show amongst a plethora of sci-fi/fantasy tv shows.

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Aw, I was going to add a quote for Gadget in a similar vein but I’m not verified so I can’t :sweat_smile:

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You never introduced yourself! Go do that and we’ll verify you :squinting_face_with_tongue:

Introductions

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Gadget Gadget is dead, long live Polish Polish

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Honestly, this feels like a bannable offence @shauny :face_with_steam_from_nose: :face_with_steam_from_nose: /j

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Which one is superior?

  • Gadget Gadget
  • Polish polish
0 voters
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Recency bias! Unfair! Rigged! Stop the count! etc.

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