I’d argue that he’s still the 13th incarnation (barring pre-Hartnell obviously). The regeneration was spent to maintain 10, who I wouldn’t say counts as a separate incarnation afterwards, and the meta-crisis Doctor is a separate entity imo. But either way, the Time Lords wouldn’t really have any reason to know that he’d used that regeneration, so it would make sense for them to see 13 Doctors and believe it’s all 13 of their incarnations
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Actually, even on the recon, her fate at the end of ‘Master Plan’ is surprisingly horrific. Yes, that would have been a complete surprise, I imagine!
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Yup, we should remember that ‘incarnation’ and ‘regeneration’ are two separate things.
So the original order is this:
- First (Hartnell) - 1st incarnation, 0th regeneration
- Second (Troughton) - 2nd incarnation, 1st regeneration
- Third (Pertwee( - 3rd incarnation, 2nd regeneration
- Fourth (T.Baker) - 4th incarnation, 3rd regeneration
- Fifth (Davison) - 5th incarnation, 4th regeneration
- Sixth (C.Baker) - 6th incarnation, 5th regeneration
- Seventh (McCoy) - 7th incarnation, 6th regeneration
- Eighth (McGann( - 8th incarnation, 7th regeneration
- War (Hurt) - 9th incarnation, 8th regeneration
- Nine (Eccleston) - 10th incarnation, 9th regeneration
- Ten (Tennant) - 11th incarnation, 10th regeneration
- Ten Two (Tennant) - 11th incarnation, 11th regeneration
- Eleven (Smith) - 12th incarnation, 12th regeneration
Which technically makes for 12 regenerations and should be 13 incarnations, if Tennant hadn’t refused to go when he should have!
Cycle two looks even more complicated:
- Twelve (Capaldi) - 1st and 13th incarnation, 13th regeneration
- Thirteen (Whitaker) - 2nd and 14th incarnation, 14th regeneration
- Fourteen (Tennant again) - 3rd and 15th incarnation, 15th regeneration
- Fifteen (Gatwa) - 4th and 16th incarnation, 16th regeneration
But the Timeless Child and Fugitive Doctor changed this, of course, so none of it matters now.
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And Richard E. Grant’s face appearing in Rogue.
And the Morbius Doctors.
And the Valeyard.
And the Watcher.
And more probably that I forgot…
It might not completely make sense but it is one hell of a moment 
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Ain’t THAT the truth! But, heck, it’s fun to try and impose order on all this.
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I absolutely get what you are saying. I’ve enjoyed this dialogue, with excellent points made showcasing just how complex this has all become. Nonetheless, Doctor Who has long dabbled with meta referencing and (sometimes not so) subtle nods to the audience. Those can be just as thrilling. For this reason, the impact of “No, sir! All thirteen!” is neither lost nor lessened for me.
It’s just one of those moments… and WHAT a moment!
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No I wasn’t referring to the Meta Crisis Doctor as a regeneration.
As others have mentioned above, but I will repeat just to be clear, what I’m referring to is the bit at the end of The Stolen Earth and beginning of Journey’s End where the Tenth Doctor is shot by a Dalek and killed. He then regenerates, but uses his hand-in-a-jar that he saved from The Christmas Invasion as a template so that he didn’t change his face after regenerating. This is confirmed in dialogue not only in that episode but also in The Time of the Doctor to be an actual regeneration, and count towards the limit.
Which is why that line about “All Thirteen” bugs me.
But also, the cliffhanger and resolution to it in The Stolen Earth was also a great twist, I spent a week mourning the loss of Tennant so soon and wondering what was going to happen!!
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I agree. I recently rewatched this story and I do love that moment. It was unexpected and also turned out to be pivotal to the resolution.
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Nothing will ever top Professor Yana at the end of Utopia for me. Nothing. Spectacular stuff I still think of even all these years on.
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As I said, I think the explanation for this is just that there’s no reason really that the Time Lords should know about the extra regeneration being used in The Stolen Earth/Journey’s End, so if they see thirteen incarnations it would logically make sense to be “all thirteen”
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Whoops, I saw the thread, replied immediately ,and didn’t see I had interrupted a debate about regenerations 
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Hell, at the time of the episode airing even the audience didn’t know if 11 was the last in the cycle. I remember there being a lot of debate about if the extra regeneration counted or not before Time of the Doctor confirmed that it did.
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No worries, being on topic in a thread is never a problem, even if the thread is going offtopic…
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No it’s totally fine to throw in different responses to the original question, we don’t all have to speak in turn. That’s why you can reply to specific posts, and quote them.
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Yes I guess you are right, that does explain it and make it work.
But I just thought the Time Lords might be cleverer than that.
Then again they have been at war and probably not able to keep track of the Doctor’s future regenerations.
I’m just a stickler for details!
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All of history ends up fluctuating with changes made to the timeline, so the number of Doctors there are likely varies as well. Likely at that moment there were 13 Doctors. We could just as well have had Rowan Atkinson show up as one of the Doctors…
(For that matter, do we know for sure this was main timeline Galifrey?)
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Now I just want Day of the Doctors but with the Curse of Fatal Death Docs…
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It would’ve been great.
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Yeah, sorry, that’s what I was trying to reference, but it was late and I was tired and couldn’t remember the details. It was like when I’m staring at a Whodle picture I definitely recognize, but can’t for the life of me remember where I saw it.
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