TV Time - (but not Doctor Who)

I loved this show.

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After 6 years of watching You… me and the hubby are about to watch the final ever episode. Thank GOD this is ending. It’s good and infuriating but so convoluted, contrived and requires so much suspension of disbelief.

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Andor Series 2 :heart_eyes:

So good to have it back.

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I have been watching The Lincoln Lawyer. I love a good lawyer show, and this is a good one :grinning_face:

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I really want to see what everyone else saw in Series 1 but I found it terribly dull and couldn’t engage with Andor as a character. I will probably try Series 2 at some point but probably not for a while.

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Series 1 was, for me, the best Star Wars has been this century. I honestly don’t know why you found it dull, it was so rich. Series 2 is off to just as great a start but if Series 1 wasn’t your thing, I’d leave it alone.

Even though it’s brilliant.

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I could see all the things in it that people were raving about but none of it clicked for me. There were bits I liked, such as the prison break, but there was so much that just didn’t make me sit up and pay attention. I think my biggest issue was with Diego Luna who I just didn’t find to be delivering a particularly charismatic or engaging performance.

I’m very aware it’s an unpopular opinion but both my wife and I far preferred Obi-Wan Kenobi.

It irritates me, though. It’s a bit like Marco Polo - I sort of know, on one level, that it’s great but I just can’t engage with it on an emotional level and just come away a little bit bored.

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You and me vs the world Delta, we found Andor boring in our house too

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You can count me into that group as well! Never got into Andor properly. Gave up after three or four episodes.

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For me, the things I enjoy the most about Andor is how it fleshes out the universe of Star Wars and gives it more nuance and depth. In the original trilogy, the Rebels are portrayed as squeaky clean, probably because Star Wars was written to protest the Vietnam War. The Rebels are these morally righteous fighters defending themselves from being oppressed by America The Empire, and the Empire is portrayed as comically evil. Now good versus evil is a fantastic framework for a story, everyone loves black and white stories because they’re fun, but actual rebellions are rarely so clean.

Now, Star Wars has dabbled with making the Rebellion more grey with Saw Gerrera, but even then they fall in the old black and white trappings by portraying Saw and the rest of the rebels as similar to the light and dark side of the Force. Saw Gererra is the alluring sense of power, who cares if a few innocent people get caught in the crossfire, they’re Imperial sympathisers anyway, who cares what happens to them if we deal a massive blow to the Empire. Saw Gererra is always portrayed as an extremist with a chip on his shoulder who cares more about hurting the Empire than liberating it’s oppressed people. You don’t need Saw Gererra to win against the Empire, as long as you have hope, and magical space wizards.

Luthen on the other hand is less extreme than Saw, but still just as morally dubious. Luthen may not be blowing up orphanages, but he’s still inciting Imperial crackdowns in order to foster resentment in the general populace towards the Empire, and driving more people to the rebellion. He sacrifices his own people in order to keep the secret that he has spies on the inside; something that the British did during WW2 after they cracked Enigma. Andor adds a sense of “realism” to the world of Star Wars, while you have people like Mon Mothma who stand as symbols of hope, her position is built upon the actions and sacrifies of people like Luthen and Andor who hide in the shadows and do the things the Rebellion will never admit to so that people like Mon Mothma can stand in the light.

This post ended up getting a bit away from me, spacey wacey and all that. This is less about trying to convince people to enjoy Andor and more just explaining why I like it. I love stories that portray people as complex and nuanced, and shows that even good people can do bad things (how did you know one of my favourite episodes is Hell Bent :smirking_face:), but I understand the appeal of pure good vs pure evil stories.

Unrelated to Andor but I also really enjoyed Kenobi, I feel like it gets way more hate than it deserves. We get Ewan Mcgregor in a starring role again, Hayden Christensen finally gets the love he deserves, the bond between Obi-Wan and Leia is sweet, and the final duel at the end is almost as good as the Mustafar duel. What’s not to love :grin:

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I knew I liked you for some reason…

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Hashtag NeverSeenAndor :man_shrugging:

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Did people not like the Obi-Wan Kenobi show?
I thought it was great. The child actor who played Leia was fantastic.
I don’t understand “fans”…

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The Obi-Wan show felt like a movie that had been rewritten to become a tv show.

The little Leia stuff, was cringe. Watching her run around & somehow evade grown men running after her???

The rematch with Vader was excellent, far better than what we got in ROTS.

I think that was the last piece of SW media I completed.

I had no idea this was happening!

The start of that trailer is brilliant. If we get more info about the biology of the xenomorphs I’ll definitely try to check this out! :alien_monster:

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Hmm I loved pretty much everything with little Leia :person_shrugging:

But I don’t think I have a very high bar when it comes to enjoying Star Wars.
A John Williams score, a light saber and stuff floating on the screen - then I’m mostly happy.

Though the show with the annoying kid, the two other kids, a bipedal kid elephant, and Jude Law was terrible (can’t even remember the name of it right now… It’ll come to me when I hit reply…)
And I can’t sit through “Attack of the Clones” without falling asleep…zzzzzz

Edit: Skeleton Crew! That’s what I couldn’t remember

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That’s probably just as well :rofl:

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I had to check out of the Star Wars universe years ago, haha. For non-Who, I’ve been watching Etoile, A.P. Bio, Daredevil: Born Again, Wheel of Time…

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Finished High Potential tonight. Have absolutely loved this series and the last episode ended on some great cliffhangers. I found all the characters hugely likeable and the mysteries all engaging. Right up our streets! Look forward to a second series (cue someone telling me it’s already been cancelled…)

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