"Range" organization

The “Range” section has been on my mind for a while – it’s a very useful feature for sorting stories in my experience, as I make my way through different sub-franchises and look to see what else is out there. Still, though, there’s some strange organization decisions here and there, and after I expressed interest in helping, Shauny’s spurred me on to give my thoughts on the forum and ask others’ opinions.

Here’s what the “Range” section looks like now on the All Stories tab:

The first thing I notice is the order. It looks like the ranges are roughly in order of story count, but this gets less consistent as we approach the bottom of the list. Story count is a pretty solid way to handle it in theory, though! I like that. There’s one main exception I’d make, which is to put the BBC TV spinoffs (Torchwood, Sarah Jane Adventures, Class) near the top, right below Worlds. Having River Song above Sarah Jane Adventures just feels… strange.

There’s also two odd ones out in this list – BBV and Reeltime. These are companies, so why are they being touted in the same category as spinoffs? To me at least the stories would make more sense to split off into UNIT, Worlds, etc where appropriate. Hell, maybe a unique range for all the P.R.O.B.E. stuff, seems that’s got quite the dedicated fanbase in this community :slight_smile:

Then there’s the biggest question on my mind, that of which ranges even merit their own spot on this list. “Worlds” is a lovely catch-all, but some of the things that are and aren’t in their own list is confusing. For instance, there’s all the Master series – a “Master” range could make sense, but that’s all bundled into Worlds. Iris Wildthyme also comes to mind. Or, to give an example of a series that’s been in conversation lately, the Gallifrey audios! Meanwhile, some things with not too many stories (namely Unbound, and maybe Paternoster Gang) get their own range. Methinks there should be some kind of cutoff for when non-TV ranges get their own TARDIS Guide category – maybe number of releases or just number of stories?

How “Worlds” works is also a probable point of contention. Stories on the Guide can be marked with multiple ranges – should “Worlds” be a catchall for anything that isn’t in the Doctor Who franchise, including things that also have their own range categories on the Guide, or should it be a catchall just for things that don’t already have a unique range category? So far, most stories in other ranges are also marked Worlds, but there’s a decent few that aren’t.

And on a final note, more as housekeeping than anything else. There’s some strange organizations for already-existing ranges here and there – why are the Candy Jar books all in the Worlds range, as opposed to UNIT? (Granted I don’t know much about these books so there could be something here I’m missing.) And, there’s more Paternoster Gang–centered stories in Worlds than there are in the Paternoster Gang range, including many of the audios… and some miscellaneous oddities like an Eighth Doctor Time War story being in Worlds and not Doctor Who like the rest of its boxset.

(I also think the Audio Visuals might do well to be in the Doctor Who range given things like the Dr. Who movies are, but that’s probably more contentious.)

This is mostly me soapboxing, so I’d love to hear other opinions :slight_smile:. Are there changes I’m suggesting that you disagree with, things I’ve missed, etc? Let’s start a discussion!

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Some of that might be that a range is more of catch all and other filters are potentially more effective (such as Character).

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I think ‘Worlds’ mostly follows on from the Big Finish convention of jamming all that stuff that isn’t strictly DW with the Doctor in another category - it’s how they do it on their website (and honestly it kind of irritates me there too).

I agree that DW, Torchwood, and SJA should be at the top as the most ‘‘official’’ spinoffs, or at least those that most people in the Whosphere are likely to have heard of regardless of how hardcore they are

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Some of this is due to me just shoving stuff into categories as I add them, then changing my mind and not going back and reorganising things :smiley:

For example, I had intended to make Ranges have sub-categories, so “River Song”, “Paternoster”, etc could go under “Worlds” rather than be their own things.

Candy Jar could go under UNIT.

Does that sound like it would help?

I agree with putting the official spin-offs higher up, too.

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I’d quite like each BF series/range as it were having an option, if possible.

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Also, “Range” came before there was “Sets” and there is a lot of overlap there…

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Heyyy! I completely agree that the ‘ranges’ at the moment are confusing and need a good reshuffle - I think that my proposition about book organisation might be of interest when considering what sort of wider categories to use.

I agree that the TV ranges should go at the top, and then I’d put book ranges like VNAs, EDAs, NSAs, etc - though, only the big ones, as - coming to my next point here - I think what we really need are subcategories. We have them for characters with multiple regens, for sets - I think it’s time we do the same with ranges. Furthermore, I think that we need to accept that what we’re doing here isn’t actually listing “ranges” in the more official sense - several of these (as you brought up) are series, for example. I think, as we are already trying to do this, it would be best to keep trying to have everything listed here anyway, regardless of whether it’s really a range.

As an example of what I’m thinking of, the new organisation could look something like this (I am aware this doesn’t account for everything/needs a lot of work, especially around order/media, but, just an example! We could just do general categories and no subs, but if we do use subcats,it would be important to make them collapsible, so they don’t take up too much space!):

  • Doctor Who
    • Classic Who
    • Movie (?)
    • NuWho
  • Torchwood
  • SJAs
  • Class
  • Wilderness novels
    • VNAs
    • VMAs
    • BNAs
    • EDAs
  • Other novels
    • NSAs
    • Puffin crossovers
    • Target novelisations
  • Faction Paradox
    • Audios
    • Novels
    • Other
  • Big Finish
    • I am not bothered to type them all out but you can imagine the chaos
  • BBC audios
  • BBV
  • Other ranges

Typing all this out makes me think that separating by media is maybe not such a good idea… we could have something like “Torchwood (TV, Audios)”, etc… this really is messy!
Good luck!!

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To me “Range” implies a whole spinoff franchise (Torchwood, Faction Paradox, Benny, and so on) as opposed to a specific series of media releases, since we already have that kind of series navigation in the Stories dropdown. You’re right that the boundaries are fuzzy though…

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Ranges on Tardis Guide do seem to be broader than sets, e.g. there’s no single set for all the Benny stuff, nor are there any ranges for her specific audio/book series. I think they make sense to have as a distinction.

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There’s no need to separate media because there is also a Media filter, so to find eg. Faction Paradox Audios you filter by the “Faction Paradox” Range and then “Audio Drama” media.

But other than that, some good ideas thank you!

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