TV Club: Love & Monsters

Maybe you just don’t like a mirror being held up to you, eh Victor… (:wink: ).

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I hated this episode as a kid. In fact, it was one of only two episodes I never rewatched (the other being Midnight, for completely different reasons). But, I revisited it a while ago as an adult, and I liked it so much better. It’s really impactful. It’s a fantastic character piece, and like other have said, works really well as a bit of fandom meta. I got the joke at the end, and I really don’t think it’s that bad. Doctor Who has plenty of innuendos, people never seem to complain about those other ones.

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I really have no idea what you’re talking about!

:stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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Sorry if this has been asked elsewhere - are we planning to watch Fear Her as I might need to do some digging for a non iPlayer place to watch it.

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As far as I am aware, it’s still on schedule for next week.

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Yes. Still on schedule. Seemed silly to skip it just because of its iPlayer absence. But it’s Classic Who this Monday so a little while to get your hands on it from wherever.

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I get the guy was bad, but wouldn’t slapping on a disclaimer saying the BBC does not condone his actions, etc. be sufficient and easier than doing all this for a redub? I also don’t like the precedent it sets for episodes getting changed from their original form and becoming the only way to watch it on the official streaming home.

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Dan has some ideas of where to find it :wink:

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I’m not even going to click on that because I hate anything that declares something as the worst (or best for that matter) as if it is some sort of subjective, decisive endpoint.

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The video is good. And he is going by rating. But I see your point.

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But who’s rating? That’s the issue. Because you’d get different results depending on who you asked and where you asked it. Out of 10th Doctor episodes, Fear Her is rated lower on TARDIS Guide for example.

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And Orphan 55 is the lowest if you take all the modern series. Love & Monsters isn’t even in the bottom 10!

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He seems to go by Rotten Tomatoes, where it is at 11%. He admits that he doesn’t think it’s as bad as people say, though, and calls himself a Love & Monsters sympathiser.

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But he also doesn’t like Eliot. That is just craxy!

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I honestly do agree, it gets a bit annoying, when something is to be claimed “the best” or “the worst” all the time, that makes those terms lose meaning.

However, I can see why he would go with a more hyperbolic title, even if it’s a bit “clickbaity”, all things considered. (Not a bad Video by the way, quite fun to watch). In terms of the online game and especially on a Platform as YouTube, people often go with those hyperbolic ones to attract some attention from more viewers. Let’s say he would have had “I Put A Doctor Who Episode on at the Cinema” instead, while arguably more true, it does probably attract fewer eyes. Overall I do agree in principle of course and personally, I don’t like to go too hyperbolic, however when it comes to a Video, I can see the decision to go with the more spicy “THE WORST” or “THE BEST”.

But that’s just of course how I view it overall, as somebody who has been also tipping in toes into Content Creation on that Platform

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@Tian - Eliot does kind of have “nice guy” energy in hindsight.

Also I don’t mind worsts and bests when talking about media. It’s fun to be hyperbolic sometimes. I have many worsts and bests, favourites that wax and wane over time, and shifting standards depending on the media, production, resources, and other subjective little factors.

I would argue the bigger issue y’all are correctly pointing at is media literacy. People take the use of “worst” and “best” in well, the worst way possible. When we create a scenario where people aren’t allowed to disagree with common fan beliefs, well, that’s a problem. I can dislike Love & Monsters while still chatting with a fan of the episode all day, every day. Yet in practice, I do agree too many fans use that language to shut down conversation rather than start it.

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I think as long as we know when we say worst or best we are talking subjectively. I love Doctor Who but also think some of it is bloody awful.

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That’s the wonderful part of this franchise, though. Everywhere you go you cant stumble on an adventure that could be the best or worst story you’ve ever seen, of any genre, of any setting, with just about any premise under the sun. I really never know what I’m going to get next!

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