Season 1 (2024) and 2 (2025) retrospective thread

Be warned, this thread contains spoilers for season 1 and 2, up to The Reality War! Leave now if you aren’t all caught up!

Now that Fifteen’s era is over, I thought it would be good to have a thread to discuss his tenure in its entirety - basically a “Fifteenth Doctor retrospective thread”. What do you think of Fifteen and his companions? What do you think of the overlying story arcs and themes of this era? What do you think of his episodes, and how would you rank them? Do you think the Disney collaboration benefitted or harmed this era of the show, in the end? Basically, anything and everything to do with Fifteen’s time as the Doctor, from the perspective of it now being complete.

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I’m quite curiously entertaining the idea of going back over 15’s run and watching in tandem with the McCoy years, just to see how much of it can be paralleled and how much of it is mental sickness on my part.

McCoy got 12 televised stories as opposed to Ncuti’s 18, however I think what with the different parts of the 80s show, the time balances out about right.

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I’m still not sold on Fifteen. He doesn’t exude “Doctor energy” to me and I feel like I don’t really know anything about him. As far as his companions, they were fine. Definitely no favorites amongst them, but Belinda has been ranked over Ruby for me (though I like both). Belinda’s personal arc was strange as her personality did a complete 180 from the first to second episodes, but I’m not really that hung up over it.

Overall, I think these two seasons were pretty good. A lot of high highs and some low lows, but I find that I tolerate New Who’s lows better than I do Classic’s. I love that Ncuti vouched for a Sub-Saharan African story, so that will always be appreciated for me.

I think Disney has been given way too much credit and criticism during this era. They’re just a financial backer and distributor, nothing else. I have a feeling that, if the showrunner wasn’t RTD, everyone would be singing a different tune regarding Disney. They had nothing to do with the writing or the direction of the show, and even if they did pull out DW would still go on just as it always has. I don’t understand what the big deal is (this isn’t directed at you).

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I should drag my friend to rewatch 15’s run sometime. When he’s got time. In person. It’s not much screen time, and it has highlights for me, but everything does lead to an epic letdown. I can’t bear to do it alone.

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Season 2 had me all of a sudden ‘getting’ 15. I was starting to understand and like him. And then. Well. I’ve said enough on the matter of Reality War for now.

Overall, I would have loved another season from him. I hope the EU pick him up and do interesting things with him.

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This is pretty similar to my feelings - for that run of episodes from Lux to The Interstellar Song Contest I was really vibing with Fifteen and his era (I even made him my profile pic for a bit, first Doctor I switched to from my beloved Twelve, and before my current beloved Five). Then the finale came along and really retroactively soured me on the whole thing a bit. I think it’s a real shame, because I think there was all the potential there for an all-time classic Doctor and run, but instead we ended up with something which I think squanders a lot of that possibility, which is really a shame.

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I’m seemingly one of the few who thought his first season was stronger than this year’s.

Season 2 just squeezes into my bottom 5 of all Doctor Who seasons. I feel like the era was marred by a heck of a lot of stuff, some out of the team’s control but also some very much in it.

Ncuti himself is one of the positives of the era but I feel like his character was stymied by the in-universe birth of the Fifteenth Doctor. Bigeneration as opposed to regeneration just didn’t work for me in following the same character and their continuous journey. It wasn’t hard to accept Ncuti as the Doctor for me, but it was hard to accept the Fifteenth Doctor as the Doctor.

Partly thinking bigeneration was a bafflingly bad idea but also because he didn’t get many “moments”. When he did, he shone. I loved him finding 50p in Lucky Day, I loved him being cheeky with Rogue in his ship and dancing to Kylie. We may have never seen a Doctor behave like that latter moment before but it felt very definitely “Doctor” to me.

I think the era has been frustrating. At the end of Season 1 I could say I enjoyed more than I didn’t. After Season 2, I’m not so sure. What I do know though is for all my issues with it I think I’d have liked another season with Ncuti’s Doctor. The abrupt nature of his departure hasn’t helped in the Fifteenth Doctor fully making his mark with me, which is a shame.

Now it’s complete I am looking forward to rewatching in the future (as part of a continuous marathon which is currently stuck in another of my least favourite seasons - Season 15) and, possibly, re-evaluating it when I get there.

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I sadly didnt like Series 14,but loved Series 15.

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I agree with a lot of other points that people have made in this thread and others (and I’ve made my opinion clear in other threads), so I’ll just say that I’m disappointed that my third favorite Doctor (15) had his run cut short because of issues that could’ve been resolved if it wasn’t for the deal with Disney meaning that there had to be a gap due to their reluctance to renewal and other behind the scenes things that could’ve been avoided. I’m especially sad that his era (an important one due to him being the first numbered Black Doctor and an openly queer one as well) has been sandwiched by two gimmicky Doctors due to RTD bringing in his old pals for the social media reactions. Obviously I don’t know what went on behind the scenes, so those are just my guesses. I hope that there’s more EU media with 15 (even if there tends to not be a lot with Doctors that are neither incumbent nor in Big Finish), although there probably won’t be more (besides upcoming Target novelizations) since non-incumbent Doctors don’t get new NSAs and Titan Comics doesn’t seem to have anything Doctor Who-related lined up. Even if I dislike a decent amount of episodes in his era and I dislike a ton of decisions made by RTD in this era, 15 is still one of my favorite Doctors with some of my favorite stories that brought a smile to my face, and no tension behind the scenes, lack of EU media, or episodes I dislike will take that away. Ncuti Gatwa was brilliant in the role, and I hope he continues to have a fabulous career in acting (with hopefully a Big Finish run at some point, but I understand if he doesn’t want to do that). I got back into Doctor Who in 2024 because I loved Ncuti Gatwa in Sex Education, and I can never thank him enough for being a big part of why this special interest was reignited and my love for the show returned. 15 may be gone from my screen, but he’ll aways have a special place in my heart. I am rarely this cheesy or open about how much this show and this character means to be, but here I am, typing this on a Tuesday instead of studying for my exams.

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This is true broadly speaking but if it’s any consolation, there are novels which do feature past Doctors that have released fairly recently and continue to. Thirteen, Ten, Five, Three, Nine and Four have had novels in several ranges in the last couple of years while they haven’t been the Doctor.

We may yet get more Fifteen in expanded media, especially as there are likely more dwm comics to come.

Edited to add - probably more Doctors that I’ve forgotten, I don’t tend to go in for the novels

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That’s a good point. The Puffin Classics Crossovers series especially seems like a venue for a 15 appearance or even two.

It’s also entirely possible there’s another batch of 15 NSAs that were commissioned before Ncuti left but haven’t been announced yet.

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Thoughts on his run
Ncuti was a fun doctor, bit of a crap start with the bigeneratjon just so there can be another David Tennant floating round the universe
S1 had some good stuff (Dot and Bubble, 73 Yards, The Devils Chord)
S2 was really strong up until the finale -

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The whole finale revolving around a baby was a awful choice - I thought the idea of him having a kid could be interesting, only for them to go nope and turn Belinda into a mother, making 15’s sacrifice feel pointless. The fact he’d rather say goodbye to a a one off not really a companion over Ruby was a choice - made the journey he’d been on with her last season and this one feel unimportant

I do hope we see him again in some form, be it a multi-doctor special, or through Big Finish as i feel his doctor was great but we just didn’t get to spend much time with him at all

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Ooh lovely! My mind blanked on the other book ranges.

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Agreed with everything you’ve said, but especially this - given Ncuti was talking about filming a third season as recently as late last year, I assume seasons 1 and 2 were written on the basis he would have at least a three-season arc, so I suspect Ncuti’s decision to leave likely kneecapped whatever the plans were to complete the development of his incarnation. It’s a huge shame, because his arc as presented on screen essentially amounts to him growing more traumatized and cruel as his run goes on (as depicted in Rogue, Empire of Death, Lucky Day, The Story and the Engine and finally culminating in The Interstellar Song Contest) - I don’t particularly like that as a journey for the Doctor to go on, especially an incarnation who started out so positively and joyfully. It gives the whole era a bit of a feeling of building up to nothing IMO, which is really enhanced by the Susan Twist and Mrs Flood plotlines also being damp squibs in the end.

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Love Fifteen a great deal, and I really enjoyed Ruby despite how much I didn’t enjoy the ending of her arc. Belinda I am torn on. I loved her in the first 3 episodes, but after that she didn’t really get to do all that much and was even under a trance for one and a bit of an episode! Its a real shame how she turned out.

Honestly S1, asides from Space Babies and Empire of Death I thoroughly enjoyed it, although the fact Ruby’s arc is SO focused on in the series just to end up like that… sours it for me. S2 likewise, I loved every episode until both parts of the finale where things fell so apart.

Special mentions to Devils Chord for mother Jinkx and Rogue for the romance with Rogue those two stories meant SO much to me, and I really will cherish them forever. If only I was a kid seeing these unapologetically queer stories, I’m sure it would’ve been amazing.

If we don’t get more, I wish the show ended with an open end like 7 so 15 could get a HUGE amount of EU content. I hope some day we get some Big Finish with him !

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This is how I’d rank them. S tier are my absolute faves, A tier I love, B are stories I really like, C are stories I’m meh on, and D tier: abysmal.


https://tiermaker.com/create/doctor-who-15th-doctor-episodes-64220

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These two seasons were certainly seasons of a TV show.

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Agreed on Belinda - if only her The Robot Revolution characterisation was carried through the rest of the season, I would probably enjoy her a great deal more as a companion. As it is, her ending is “Leela in The Invasion of Time” levels of bad, and her characterisation in the latter half of the season is barely there, which is an enormous waste of Varada Sethu!

Fifteen has been an incarnation I’ve really enjoyed, but there are a few things about him which keep him from being a favourite of mine. I love that he’s gay, that he’s positive and fun most of the time, and just think Ncuti’s overall performance is pretty great. I do have two big problems though! The first, which I’ve mentioned in a few threads now, is the emergence of some character traits which I consider to be very reminiscent of RTD’s first two Doctors, which I wasn’t keen on then and definitely don’t want to see pop up again now (being angsty and traumatised, the cruelty and vengefulness towards some villains, and so on). The second, which to be fair is more general to most of the New Who Doctors, is that he’s another very manic incarnation of the character - after Tennant, Smith, Whitaker and Tennant again, I wouldn’t mind a version more in line with the classic incarnations, who doesn’t constantly go at 110 miles per hour on screen and in dialogue. Being hyperactive isn’t an inherent part of the Doctor as a character, but New Who is definitely doing it’s best to make it such.

I think Ruby is actually the quiet MVP of Fifteen’s era - I don’t like her and Fifteen as a pair that much (TBH, I think you could make the argument her relationship with Fifteen is a bit of a toxic one, based on how they’re presented in certain episodes). However, there are several really great instances of Ruby taking the lead in a story, and Millie Gibson completely crushes each and every one of them. 73 Yards, Lucky Day and her scenes in Wish World and The Reality War are all fantastic showcases of Ruby as a character and Millie’s acting talent, and I love how differently she’s portrayed when she isn’t with Fifteen - instead of being pulled along in his wake, she gets some powerful moments of her own, like her quiet infiltration and takedown of Roger Ap Gwilliam, her scenes with UNIT and tasing the Shreek, and my favourite of all, her besting Conrad in The Reality War. I find the last one particularly satisfying, because while Fifteen is blasting Omega with a giant space laser, Ruby gets what is usually the Doctor moment, by talking to the bad guy, outsmarting him and defeating him without violence! Thinking back on the era, I have a real appreciation for the character, and I think 73 Yards and Lucky Day are some of the highlights for me for that reason.

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You’ve hit on, what I think, is the fundamental flaw of this era, which is bigeneration. I remember reading the original leaks and thinking “this reads like the worst fan-fiction” and then watching The Giggle, that creeping feeling of dread just inching in as things began to come true. That feeling has been replicated a fair few times in the past couple of years (although I should say I enjoyed most of the episodes in spite of, and perhaps more because of the fact that I had read the leaks.)

I don’t want to go the full 2000 here because I think there’s at least a decent blog post, but bigeneration, despite what we’re being told now about it (that being a desperate attempt for Gallifreyan biology to replicate - very cool idea, absolute bobbins from a narrative mechanical sense) is the original sin of this era. Because even though the reasons for it were practical, regeneration still emerged as the purest ethos of the show. It is literally the only reason it has lasted for so long. To so many fans it has come to represent change, rebirth, healing, letting go, growing, so many different things. In my darkest times, I look to Planet of the Spiders, The Power of the Doctor, even Twice Upon a Time. I look to the moments of regeneration for strength and hope because it’s always taught me, change can make you better. And change is always possible.

Bigeneration doesn’t necessarily stamp all over that idea - it’s fundamentally too powerful, and even if I hate The Giggle, Tom will always fall. The Watcher will always embrace him, transmogrifying into Peter Davison in the cobwebs. The moments are always prepared for. But the run through 14 and 15 stops being about change. It always now, will be about how the specter of your past, maybe a better past, maybe not, depends who you ask, that will be there. As much of a ploy for reproduction as it can be read as, we don’t know where 14 is. We’re told that he changed so much he could become 15, and yes, this Doctor tells people he loves them. But his words do not match his actions. He is callous with Ruby. The untwisting of the show itself gave us Belinda and then reverted her to a shell for The Doctor’s story to be told to us within. And all the time, we are assured, yes, he got better. Because I said he did, and because I bigenerated him. He healed. Again. He tells people he loves them now!

Except if you’ve been watching the show carefully, The Doctor has always told us how much he loves us. There is love in his eyes when he looks on Barbara Wright, on Vicki, on Jamie and Zoe, on Jo Grant - how can you tell us he has never loved properly when 10’s entire tenure is modelled on the ending of The Green Death, the most blatantly heartbroken The Doctor has ever been?

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Yikes, what did Joy to the World do to deserve D tier status? I would probably put it near the top of the era personally (but I am a certified Moffat boy).

Generally agreed on the rest, but I would personally put The Devil’s Chord in D tier (and Space Babies - feeling daring today :wink:) - I appreciate some people really enjoyed it (and I can see in your other post you have a big reason for doing so, so fair enough), but it’s probably one of my all-time least favourite episodes of the show :confused:

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