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We recently launched Prerequisites which allows us to show a notice if there are required stories you have not yet completed.

I’ve gone through and added all that I can think of for TV stories, and have also added all the two-part Audio Dramas that I’m aware of.

Please use this topic to discuss any prerequisites I should add. Please only talk about stories which absolutely must be completed in order - not “suggestions” or “extra lore”, those can be added but it’s not my main focus at the moment.

I’ve turned on “post voting” so people can upvote the ones they think are valid and downvote ones which are incorrect. Let’s try it!

Please only reply with actual Prerequisites. You can use the “comment” feature for other comments!

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What (DW) are you currently watching? (Part 2)

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Hooklight 1 should be a prerequisite for Hooklight 2, and The Last Day Part One should be a requirement for The Last Day Part Two.
Spoilers for Helter Skelter - Field of Miracles should be a prerequisite for Land of Fools

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Added Hooklight and The Last Day. If the other one is a spoiler, should it be added?

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It's a difficult one - the fact that they're connected is a massive spoiler, but it very much is a part two for the prior story

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Looking at the Eighth Doctor Big Finish stories right now:

  • Storm Warning should be a prerequisite for The Chimes of Midnight and Neverland, given how both deal with the fact that Charley should have died in Storm Warning
  • Neverland should be a prerequisite for Zagreus, which should itself be a prerequisite for Scherzo

For minisodes:

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maybe im misremembering but i think charleys weirdness is somewhat explained in the chimes of midnight? so im not sure it fits the strict defintion needed, i also say this because ive had friends who have never interacted with the 8th doctor (or even doctor who at all) listen just to the chimes of midnight and theyve loved it all the same, but i would agree on the Neverland->Zagreus->Scherzo line

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You might be right there, I'll admit that it's been some time since I listened to that set of audios. I suppose if people were able to understand the story without Storm Warning, then it's not a necessity.

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I think people can understand Chimes and Neverland without Storm Warning, so I've left those off. I've done Neverland to Scherzo and Space/Time. I don't think the other minisodes, whilst they are a set together, really require each other? You could watch in any order and still get it I think!

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I re-read the transcripts: I’ve made Bad Night and Good Night loosely connected, and First Night and Last Night required.

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Have you done the TW MR stuff that is before TW TSC ones. It is the one time in the past where I felt like I was missing stuff.

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Ah yes I haven't done those yet! I will do :blush: I'm not sure the Andy & Norton stories are actually required, just suggested.

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I must confess that I dont realy remember.

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At the very least, [spoiler]Forgotten Lives[/spoiler]is required for Another Man's Shoes

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Re: Another Man's Shoes... I didn't even notice the link to Forgotten Lives! I think that is more of a reference than a requirement.

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  • The Moderator - The Shape-Shifter
  • Voyager - Polly the Glot - Once Upon a Time-Lord
  • Kane’s Story - Abel’s Story - The Warrior’s Story - Frobisher’s Story
  • Exodus - Revelation! - Genesis!
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Hi! Is there any chance we could get Ghost Mission and Goodbye Piccadilly added as prerequisites for The Man From Room 13, please?

I started listening to Torchwood Soho recently and was completely baffled when Andy showed up because I had no prior knowledge of his and Norton’s relationship or the fact that he was now (kinda) working for Torchwood.

Obviously this depends on other people’s thoughts on it, but I think it would be a worthwhile addition. Thanks!

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I’ve added those as “suggested” (as opposed to “required”). Thanks!

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I started reviewing my profile and here are some missing audio prerequisites:

Ravenous 4: Day of the Master - Part 1 > Day of the Master - Part 2
Ravenous 2: Better Watch Out > Fairytale of Salzburg

6DA Sixth and Hebe: Chronomancer > Broadway Belongs to Me! > Purification > Time Burst > Girl in a Bubble > The Corruptions > The Wrong Side of History

War Master Box Set 2: Call for the Dead > The Glittering Prize > Sins of the Father
War Master Box Set 1: The Good Master > The Sky Man > The Heavenly Paradigm

Torchwood One Box Set 1: New Girl > Through the Ruins > Uprising

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I'm not sure if Day of of Master needs to be prerequisites of each other since it's clearly titled Part 1 and Part 2 and they're in the same boxset. Same with the War Master boxsets. I'd expect that someone listening to these for the first time, because they'd have to purchase the whole boxset to listen to even one story, would be listening to the whole boxset. Unless they really didn't like the first story and decided not to finish the boxset, I'd imagine they'll be listening to them in order.

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The main reason for doing this is to teach the software not to recommend the second part of a two-part audio, so these “part 2” are still useful!

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A few examples that I can think of are:

The Daleks’ Master Plan → Daughter of the Gods

The Mysterious Planet → Mindwarp → Terror of the Vervoids → The Ultimate Foe → Trial of the Valeyard (The Trial of a Time Lord arc, plus Trial of the Valeyard which is a sequel to The Ultimate Foe)

Remembrance of the Daleks → Terror Firma (Terror Firma is a sequel to Remembrance of the Daleks)

Colditz → A Thousand Tiny Wings → Klein’s Story → Survival of the Fittest → The Architects of History → UNIT Dominion (stories that focus on the character Elizabeth Klein)

Horror of Glam Rock → The Zygon Who Fell to Earth → Death in Blackpool (Auntie Pat trilogy)

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Mindwarp > Ultimate Foe > Companion Chronicles Peri and the Piscon Paradox

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@PuddingBrainMummy’s post reminded me of Mindwarp → The Ultimate Foe → The Widow’s Assassin!

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From the series “7V”

  • The Inheritance → All’s Fair → Didn’t You Kill My Mother?
  • Curiosity Shop → Broken Hearts
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Added that! :+1:

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just editied to include another chain too

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From the 8DA Time War audios

  • War Valeyard → Palindrome Part 1 → Palindrome Part 2
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Spoilers.

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Anybody think Hell Bent is a prerequisite for Four Doctors or is that optional?

Edit: Am silly, I meant Dark Water.

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It's not even marked as a related story?

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It's related to half the comic. The Keys of Marinus as a Voord story should be there too but it's not required, I suppose. Day of The Doctor might be somewhere to avoid spoilers but also not important to things in the same way. End of Time Part 2 and Wedding of River Song are related too right? They are sort of needed in the same way.

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Wait, @shawny you're right; I meant Dark Water.

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I did read that comic before having seen Dark Water, and while that part did confuse me, it wasn’t made much clearer after seeing the episode. Similar to any of the other references like to Wedding and various Voord appearances, it was obvious I was missing something, but it didn’t make anything incomprehensible. The context of “this is a moment where the Doctor was feeling real bad” was enough. It’s not like the comic builds very strongly on the TV episodes, they’re more ideas it vaguely extrapolates from. And even then, they explain each situation to the other characters that need to know.

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Apparently Dark Water hadn't come out yet when they were writing it which is why it was vague on the details or something in the first few issues. I thought it was pretty clear that it was an alternate history stemming from that moment judging by the other two, but I suppose it's not obvious. Also, yeah you have a point on the explanations part.

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The mother of all pre requisites mainly cause it’s like doing avengers infinity war without knowledge of anything

All tv two parters should have the first part as a prerequisite for the second part

Series finales should have stuff related to that series arc as a prerequisite too

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"All tv two parters" -> Yes I've already said I've done those. "Series finales should have stuff related to that series arc as a prerequisite too" -> That's a bit too subjective... And as for The Last Day, surely the different coloured arrows have different meanings? Gonna need more info

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The different coloured arrows are linked to the characters in the story/on the cover so the red one is all hex light green is all Mel etc

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I wonder which story has the most prerequisites. I was going to make a thread for this once.

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Is it necessary for multi part stories in a single boxset or multi part stories that are part of an overarching narrative to be marked? I have listened to some later stories in boxsets/series before the earlier ones, but I imagine about 99% of people haven’t. The first two parts of Dalek Universe are a two-parter, but the whole series is one continuous narrative, so not sure if suggesting prerequisites like that is very necessary.

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I don't think it's necessary when something is really obviously part of a continuous narrative, BUT this is used so the Recommendation Engine (which is nearly ready) doesn't recommend you the last part of a story and you dive in with no knowledge.

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Ah, okay then. I think the ending two parter of the Timejacked boxset would benefit from this. That’s Split Second/The Weight of History. The whole set is one larger story, but those last two are just a single script with a cliffhanger sting inbetween. Additionally: when making suggestions, would it be preferable to do separate suggestions in separate comments to make voting easier, or would it be better to put it all in one to avoid clutter?

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@shawny What if I want to ignore all prerequisites and have the last part of a story recommended to me?

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We’ve done A Death in the Family, but here’s the entire Elder Gods arc (and as you said, essentials only!):

Robophobia → House of Blue Fire → Protect and Survive → Black and White → Gods and Monsters → Afterlife → Signs and Wonders

Also:

Project: Destiny → Protect and Survive

The Magic Mousetrap → Gods and Monsters

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The Coming of The Queen has no prerequisites but it is a prerequisite to Erimem: The Last Pharoah, I’d say. For one, all of her memories were wiped up to until shortly after that story ended (epilogue chapter also semi-useful for context of character from later books and this one but not for Erimem; she doesn’t remember it.).
But then again, for all I know the last audio with her (I gather a Peladon one) is one of those for The Last Pharoah too… I wouldn’t know, I’m doing prose-only Erimem before starting her audios eventually.

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Going off my guide Diary of River Song Guide • Playlist • TARDIS Guide

I think Series 1 should all be linked together, series 2 should be linked, series 3 should be linked, series 4 should be linked, series 11 should definitely be linked

5.1 could need whichever TV episode establishes that, if the universe asks, the Doctor is tooottally dead

Series 6 should probably have the relevant TV episodes linked (I’ve only seen half of them, and the ones linked to the episodes I hadn’t seen were definitely less interesting/I got a little bit lost with)

7.4 could arguably have 5.2 as a prerequisite for Luke, but imo you get enough within the episode

2.2 > 8.1 > 8.2 should be a chain for Rachel

Series 9 could be linked, but I think each stands alone well enough

10.4 should have Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead

Arguably, series 12 could all need Angels Take Manhattan, and 12.4 needs 3.4

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I will look at this and get linking

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The majority of these have been added. (The Last Day stuff is still too scary)

@shauny needs to exercise his expert River Song knowledge for grlgoddess’s suggestions above.

With any future prerequisites, can we add - spoiler protected probably - a brief reason why any given story is a prerequisite.

What else needs to be added to the site.

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