Episode Discussion: Wish World

Oh god is Poppy going to talk next episode?

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IM Foreman. Lovely touch.

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Is Poppy Susan… christ…

this is me when it comes to rtd finales

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This very much depends on how next week plays out, but I’m not holding out much hope. RTD loves his weird Doctor Who technobabble nonsense.

Minor note, but does every villain these days have to be camp and have a dance number? :roll_eyes:

I think this needs a rewatch.

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Rogue’s “tables don’t do that” was giving Jack’s “beware the lone Cyberman” for me… that’s not a good thing :persevering_face:

And if he could send the Doctor a message why not tell him his location??

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I liked seeing Rogue again (and it was nicely built to, with the earlier stuff about how it’s wrong for the Doctor as a man to like other men, then suddenly doubts creep in and Rogue pops up, etc) but it was a bit strange to see him in a VFX Hell Dimension, probably never to be seen again now, and very convenient he could send just one message.

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It might be one of the most ‘nothing’ episodes of Doctor Who ever, so much going on and so overstuffed but I can’t recall a single thing. The God of Wishes was an afterthought when that could’ve been an interesting villain in its own right, and it builds up to an obvious cliffhanger where the Doctor learns the world isn’t real then the world collapses.

Conceptually an interesting episode but it’s less than the sum of its parts

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Is he in gay super hell :sob:

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Maybe he’s taken a visit to the Inferno Club.

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Other than a couple of examples of the usual needless excess that makes me cringe (sorry, we never need big TO BE CONTINUEDS) that was a solid episode.

It eased into its setting and built in such a better way than last year’s first part. It felt like it had more confidence as a result. People are prone to say it’s only part one of two and so you can’t judge an unfinished story (I was told off for not liking Legend of Ruby Sunday on those grounds) but that’s never held water for me. It’s an episode of broadcast television, even a part one needs to be good set up. I didn’t think Legend was at all, whereas this I think did a strong job.

Yeah, it helped that there was no embarrassing Sue Tech/Sutekh parallel, Omega is just a big bad (clearly explained as an early Time Lord who was lost) the Rani is looking for, which leaves part two in a strong position to pick this up.

Conrad’s prejudices influencing the world was a great way of offering a crack in it as well as highlighting still what an arsehole he is.

My expectations were low, I’m aware, but nevertheless I enjoyed that much more than I expected to.

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I spent a lot of the episode just a little bewildered. Which isn’t necessarily bad. Lots of questions raised, but it was pure build-up with no action and, as much as RTD tries to acknowledge and explain it, exposition. “I need to tell you the whole plan” – sure thing, okay, now you’re letting the audience peek behind the curtain at how this is pure dialoguey nonsense.

Nice visuals though. Bit Marvelly.

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Initial thoughts are that the episode is a complete mess, and not even a rushed (Slightly fun in the chaos) mess like Wedding of River Song. It’s far too boring and drawn out for that. The idea of the wish world itself is interesting enough with the concept of doubt being used to fuel the ‘gateway’, but otherwise the episode is just incredibly half-baked.

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RTD loves his sci-fi nonsense apocalypse stories, that’s for sure.

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How many times has London been destroyed in RTD2? 3 now? I was like “oh yeah that’s getting undone yawn” :sob:

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Shades of The Star Beast when London started cracking open… and then when the day is saved, London just magically uncracks and reverses and everything is fine :sob:

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Its like how a single Dalek is always far more of a threat in the narrative than a billion. The greater the destruction or menace, the less the actual stakes are because you know nothing will stay permanent.

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I do wonder if nobody, at any point, saw the script and said, “hey Russell – don’t you think there’s a bit much going on here? Two Ranis, bigeneration, Poppy, Rogue, the god of wishes, the end of the world again, and you wanna throw Omega in there too?” :joy:

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Especially since the only real things revealed in this episode were Omega and the God of Wishes. The rest was just spent getting the characters back to where they were when they last had their memories. Now we only have one episode to wrap everything up.

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That was my overriding thought. I sort of understand why the episode went the direction it did, to move all the pieces on the chessboard, but it felt like passing time until midnight / May 24th. And the Doctor is only the Doctor for 2 minutes at the end.

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