Episode Discussion: The Reality War

So, having had time to try and sorta consolidate my thoughts and feelings on this episode, I do still really enjoy it. But on rewatch in a setting divorced from the hype of the cinema, there are some creative and structural choices that, now I’ve noticed them, have lead me to bump it down to a 3.5 from a 4.5.

This is far from the worst the show has ever produced or ever will produce but its still very messy. I have no criticisms that haven’t already been put into words by other people here better than I could, but in short as much as I, a massive fan, am a sucker for the callbacks and nostalgia… yeah next finale really should tone down on that a bit.

I do stand by Billie being a good replacement though, and now s1 and 2 have dropped, I hope RTD and co take the criticism on board and can adjust their methodology accordingly

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Even as someone that grew up with Nuwho, it doesn’t work for me as well because the RTD1 era was just not as good as later stories were. It isn’t my favourite era but I like the stories but I don’t need this nostaglia bait.

If they bought back anyone from the calpaldi era I might be taken in by the nostaglia bait. Imagine Missy being took her from her death thanks to the time schism and then having to act like The Doctor. Man there were so many better ways to nostaglia bait me.

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Which, really, is what I’m hoping for. I don’t think the show ever had better stories than those Orman, Miles, Platt, Magrs, Cornell (and others, but trying to not have this turn into just listing things) wrote in the '90s. I’m well aware - all too aware, with the unfortunate state that, for example, the book series has been in recently - that just naming the fact that there was once great writers on the book series does not necessarily mean that is the only correct route (indeed, you can do an even longer list of Television writers to ‘prove’ that it works best on TV), and I’m also aware that we got some absolutely terrible books as part of those series.

However, I am quite at peace with the fact that if the show doesn’t return then there’s the distinct possibility that there will be once again a new opportunity for genuinely new writers to take up where Doctor Who has left off without the worry at all that it might have to be ‘changed by Disney’ (inasmuch as that ever happened) or have to fit with the BBC’s exact editorial standards, and I also hope that this is done preferably through something like a novel range and/or a comic range that allows for some of the many, many brilliant writers the show has inspired in the past twenty years to actually begin writing for the franchise, and not just the same writer from the past twenty years and his mates.

It’s not the most coherent argument I know and if the show returns as if everything’s fine in two years then ignore all of this but - speaking as someone who genuinely loved the Reality War - I’m okay with having RTD’s vision of the show be over, and I’m actually strangely thankful that if it is, then he has left so many things open for other writers to expand (or equally, to ignore, if they have a better story).

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I wouldn’t mind this if the show actually was like I remember. My biggest trouble with the nostalgia bait is that they bring back the names but don’t actually bring back the stuff that made them work…

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I’m definitely excited, if that’s what’s actually going to happen. I also hope that, if it is what’s planned, that Billie’s Doctor has very little to do with Billie’s Rose. After all, Billie’s Moment wasn’t just a rehashed Rose, so I’m sure she could create a very different and exciting character, if given a fair crack of the whip.

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I think it’s quite possible that the show will be back in two years doing something quite different and new, but, if we are in for a longer hiatus, I’m sure that there will be new and interesting things that will come and fill the gap. The 1990s and early 2000s sucked because there was no ongoing Doctor Who on TV, and the books etc were mere crumbs of comfort compared to the expanded stuff we get now. I try not to look on the wilderness years as a golden era, but it’s true that new writers emerged during that time. It’s also true that new writers have emerged over the past twenty years as well. A couple on TV and a few more via audios and other things. It isn’t as easy for unpublished writer to break in as it was in the 90s mainly because Doctor Who is bigger business and, ironically, that means that there’s a little less creative risk taking. I can’t see that changing much if the show goes off air for an extended period, though. That said, I’m pretty sure that there will be new developments to get excited about. Some of the most interesting and experimental things to do with Doctor Who have occurred in the gap years, as the various franchisees have looked for ways to keep interest up. I’m sure that that will continue, and there are a lot of good creative brains working on these kinds of things.

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Yeah, and failing even the little amount of quality stuff we could get if it’s purely the same expanded universe we have now, there’s still plenty of better shows and pieces of media to be interested in outside of Doctor Who!

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I do not understand this sentence…

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Sarah Jane Adventures, Torchwood, K9, Class…

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Oh right, phew. I thought we were talking about other shows outside of Doctor Who, like that’s even a thing.

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Doctor Who’s a tv show? I thought it was an audio series… :wink:

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They don’t really follow the continuity properly, but they do video episodes of it occasionally.

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Some of the characters from the audios even appear in the TV series sometimes but they aren’t usually the same actors…

Matt Smith replaced Jacob Dudman as the Eleventh Doctor, for example.

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There has been something incredibly uncomfortable about the way that Ncuti, the first openly gay, Black Doctor has been used. From basically everyone in the narratives commenting on his physical attractiveness, his trousers magically disappearing during bigeneration (David in a girl’s outfit, terrible [but we’ll put Ncuti in a “girl’s outfit” and make it a triumphant part of our narrative]), although interestingly the female Time Lord that bigenerates gets…two full outfits? Hmm how odd.

It took us like four episodes until Dot and Bubble until the Black Doctor gets a racism done at him, it’s lauded as one of the most successful episodes of the season (look, I love Dot and Bubble but I will happily accept The Story and The Engine much more readily as a story about celebrating the Doctor’s Blackness instead of using it to power a late-game horrid twist, no matter how god that episode was, there’s something weird about it.)

The less said about Rogue, the better. Actually I’ll say it anyway, Rogue is an excuse to jam two sexually attractive gay men together, written for the female gaze. It’s fine, there’s so much in Doctor Who explicitly for the male gaze, but the fact that it’s held up as anything beyond the audience grabbing spectacle it was clearly designed as is just a fundamental flaw in reading it.

He didn’t get Daleks. He didn’t get any good villains that weren’t RTD’s leftovers. He didn’t get good companions, or even a halfway decent incarnation of UNIT. He was an action figure Russell T. Davies wanted to play with, and unfortunately got screwed because none of us are having as much fun with it as Russell is.

YMMV obviously, but I do also agree that there’s something quite uncomfortable about how this production crew has treated Ncuti. Bear in mind, of course, that this is the same production team that had Christopher Eccleston, then suffering from an eating disorder, stripped to the waist for a Vengeance on Varos reference so that the ladies could ogle his chest. Perhaps no one has particularly learned lessons.

If I had a nickel for every time a Russell T Davies reboot of Doctor Who loses a Doctor after an almost insultingly short time, with heavy rumours of behind the scenes problems, well, you know how many I’d have.

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I completely disagree. As a lesbian, I see Rogue as a celebration of queer culture (the Doctor flirting via shade, diegetic Kylie) and queer resilience crossed with hope for a better world (the Doctor telling Rogue they were scandalous). I’m also really critical of what I’ll describe as the yaoi boom, but I don’t think Rogue was it.

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https://x.com/TheCyberdevil/status/1929903203295916543

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I don’t agree with the Rogue point at all as a queer person, but the rest of this post I 100% agree with

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It’s also not been particularly great on disability, feminism, and lgbtquia+ issues?

Sure, issues get brought up a lot. You still need to give disabled characters screen time and more character then being disabled. “Yay, I’ve got a trans character!” doesn’t really count for much if you only give them, say, 30 seconds of screen time every so often, and practically no lines. Mentioning nonbinary people and getting it wrong doesn’t count for much.

Women don’t need to have their arcs wrapped up by marriage, family, or kids?

I feel like Russell thinks he knows how to cover these issues but really honestly doesn’t.

(I do disagree on Rogue, though.)

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And will never admit that he needs assistance. God, the more I think about it, the more I think he needs to be sacked… which I fear the BBC won’t do because they’re panicking and trying to remake the glory days.

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