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And my argument is that none of that matters if she (and therefore multiple anti-trans hate groups) still directly financially benefit from it. Do you know how much money she’ll make from that new series? She’s an executive producer and the owner of the franchise, she’ll definitely get a substantial payment and royalties. This is money that she (and therefore any groups she funds) would not have received had the series not been commissioned. This series would not have been commissioned if Harry Potter wasn’t still a culturally relevant intellectual property. If enough people watch/support the show and they make a season 2, she’ll get even more money, which will openly and directly fund transphobia. It’s an extremely direct relationship.

It doesn’t matter if the mobile game has a fictional trans character if the ad revenue from the game goes to support real life transphobia.

Openly supporting the franchise makes studios (and merch stores, and app developers, and anyone else with an official license) think that Harry Potter is a worthwhile investment, and part of that investment/license money will go to her. When she dies, we can talk about giving her work the ACD treatment (assuming her will doesn’t specify that all future HP residuals go to anti-trans causes or something). Until then, she is a major figure in a hate movement focused on attacking me and people like me, and I cannot understand knowingly financially benefiting her.

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To quote myself from earlier

Sure there’s no transphobia, but there’s fatshaming, extremely poor handling of slavery and racial prejudice, and complete glossing over the inherrent corruption within the systems she explictly calls out for being corrupt

Harry Potter may not contain any explicit transphobia, but it clearly demonstrates the neo-liberal ideologies that would go on to be the basis for her transphobia (and again, contains other prejudices, name a single good character in any of her books who is described as being fat)

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Except no it ■■■■■■■ hasn’t

Did you not read the posts upthread?






Right, and a portion of the money from every sale of that game is going towards funding anti-trans hate groups.

As a trans person, I’m telling you it is

There are plenty of other series you can be a fan of out there that contain those themes and are actually ■■■■■■■ done well. Hell, we’re on a Doctor Who forum here now!

I’ve already mentioned how poorly the Mudblood thing is done in the book

And she’s ‘proven wrong’ in doing it at the end, you might like the idea of SPEW, but the books themselves take the stance that Hermione is in the wrong for trying to set up SPEW. It’s not just that the characters ridicule her for it, it’s that the novel itself ridicules her for it

Hopefully the upcoming TV show stays in production hell and never ends up happening, JKR doesn’t deserve a single penny

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I would kinda read up on that. It’s not the activism they say it is.
She is a trans woman with the word ‘sir’ in her name…
Again, really falling in line with names like “Cho Chang”.

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Hogwarts Legacy also seemed fairly antisemitic, with or without the JKR connection, so I skipped it.

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I’m not sure how that would ever work…

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Oh it works, probably happens in real life too.
This is a piece of fiction we are talking about though.
And there is a stigma here.
If you create a trans character in Harry Potter you should think about what you name that character!

Also what @SweetAIBelle said.

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I would just like to remind everyone to be kind and respectful to each other.

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Okay, I don’t want to get into an argument, but I saw this after waking up and had to reply. With all due respect to you, @JayPea, and the entire trans community, seeing this made me sad.

I am not, I have never been, and I will never be a transphobe (or any other phobe, for that matter; except a bigotphobe).

I’m a Harry Potter fan. So now you claim I’m a transphobe, despite knowing very little about me or my beliefs? You claim my wife, my sister-in-law, my cousins, and a lot of my friends (all decent people) are transphobic? I, who vote liberal, have been active in one of the most liberal parties in Finland my entire adult life, participated in several Pride parades, and have lived my entire life with a big sister who has an intellectual disability, meaning that I have learnt to accept and see the value in the different and marginalised, even when faced by prejudices by others.

We can’t see the world in such a black-and-white way. Claiming that HP fans are transphobes is a bit like claiming that DW fans think that women are only good for screaming and making tea or that all wheelchair-bound and/or disfigured people are evil (see, there’s an equivalent of fat-shaming in DW as well, and it’s been going on for decades!). Or, conversely, that people who dislike Elton John’s music are homophobes. I could easily claim that you think this of women or disabled people, but I do not because I can separate decent people from idiots and bigots, and I can see the good in people, and I’m better than that.

The Harry Potter books are written for children. We shouldn’t sit here and deeply analyse the text as if it were the word of God. People who do that are no better than people who analyse the Bible and live by its many outdated and problematic ideas (slavery, polygamy, physical punishment, and yes, the belief that marriage is only acceptable between men and women) as if the book was the only truth to life. I read the HP books many times when growing up, but I grew into a decent person because I was raised that way. So saying I’m a transphobe is indirectly stating that my parents are as well—and I can tell you that while my parents are far from perfect, they are some of the most accepting and loving people I know. Also, I know people who haven’t read the books when growing up (or ever), and they are transphobic. See? It’s not that simple!

JKR is a bigot, yes, and I am angry and sad that she has decided to take the stance that she has, but that doesn’t take away my enjoyment of her books, the movies, or other Potter-related stuff. Incidentally, before anyone claims that I support her transphobia economically, I bought the books and movies years ago, so that money was spent before anyone knew about this. And I haven’t put money into anything she has been attached to since.

This was all I wanted to say. I hope we can be better than this and avoid viewing the world as a black-and-white place. It’s much more complex than that, and there are many more labels here than “Potter fan = transphobe” and “not a Potter fan = not a transphobe.” The sociologist in me would like to analyse this further, but this post is already getting long, so I will not go further into that.

I hope this didn’t sound too blunt, as I didn’t mean to personally attack you or anyone else (and you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, of course); I just had to speak my mind when seeing a reductive statement like that.

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To be fair I think JayPea meant that being a Potter fan absolutely is amplifying JK’s anti-trans stance.

Not that all Potter fans are transphobes. You’re right in saying that would be a ridiculous generalisation.

But continuing to buy Potter stuff is giving her money which directly goes to fund hate.

You’ve said you don’t continue to buy stuff. That’s great! But we were talking about how people who do keep buying - whether it’s the new game, the theatre show, the LEGO, or even watching the new series and talking about it - that’s all keeping JK relevant and amplifying her bigoted views.

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Well, yes, but the reply was also to the statement, “Being a fan of Harry Potter isn’t necessarily agreeing with JK Rowling’s anti-trans stance”, which is the part I reacted to.

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The quote was “Agreeing with or amplifying”.

No it’s not agreeing with. Yes it’s amplifying.

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I do not agree with Rowling’s views on trans people at all.

I haven’t seen any discourse about this in any type of public forum in Denmark, and I keep up with the public and political discourse here.
What I do see on an almost daily basis is the joy on children’s faces when reading the books and playing they are in that Wizarding world.

Supporting Rowling economically sucks, absolutely. But the discourse shouldn’t be that black or white.

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I personally just don’t feel like anyone’s minds are going to be changed by anything said here, and would rather the topic just died out before things go too far south…

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I remember seeing some discussions on Weibo about JKR and it seemed that most people thought she was attacked by left-wing activists or something. I assume it’s because Harry Potter is generally seen as a pretty good kid’s book series and most people here are just too ignorant on things trans-related. I didn’t follow up on those discussions, though. In fact I actively avoid all discussions about trans people in Chinese on the Internet, except for medical ones.

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No yeah that’s fair, I’ll edit my comment, I was specifically talking about the amplifying part but should have made that clearer, my apologies /gen

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No need to apologise, it’s all fine :slight_smile: but thanks for clarifying what you meant specifcally. That’s something I can absolutely agree with.

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Moving slightly off topic here

Back in the day, before I got into Doctor Who, I would dip in and out of fandoms.

I was into A Series of Unfortunate Events for a while, same with Artemis Fowl, Star Wars was one I’m still interested in, but not as much as I used to (still quite a fan).

But Harry Potter was a big one. I was obsessed.

Eventually, I moved onto something else.

I enjoyed the Alex Rider novels, and then I started getting into comics, which eventually got me into Doctor Who (it’s a long story for another time), and I haven’t looked back since.

Then something wonderful happened. I discovered a book series called Skulduggery Pleasant (yes, it’s for kids, but it’s beautiful).

This and Doctor Who came at just the right time for me.

It was perfect escapism.

I stopped reading halfway through the tenth book. I’m not sure why. I’d love to go back to them.

Anyway, that was a really strange tangent.

Don’t know what that was all about.

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I’d like to throw in my two cents on the JKR thing. Yes, actively supporting her financially (through buying the books/movies/games or through merch) is directly harming trans people, but avoiding those direct avenues and only buying fan merch or talking about your love for the franchise doesn’t absolve you. As was said earlier in the thread, it gives free advertising and shows that Harry Potter can still be profitable.

That’s not what necessarily bothers me with it, though. I saw a post on tumblr that put it very succinctly: by outwardly showing your love for the franchise, you turn into “Schrödinger’s TERF”. (TERF stands for trans exclusionary radical feminist, for those who don’t know. It’s JKR’s ideology). I will be perfectly honest, when I saw @WhoPotterVian’s introduction, I was scared. I thought, “Is this someone who is actively supporting JKR, who shares her beliefs, or simply someone ignorant of all she’s done, or someone who knows but just doesn’t care?” It makes myself and other trans people worried for our safety. I always feel that I have to tread extremely carefully around people who are very proud of their Potterhead status, because what might they do if they find out I’m trans? Will they accept me or ostracise me? Will they hurt me, call me slurs and demand that I detransition?

At this point, Harry Potter is bigger than JKR, but not in the way you think. It’s no longer just a franchise, it’s a symbol of an ideology. When sharing your love for it you are actively making trans people feel unsafe, no matter what you actually think/feel/believe.

(This is the general “you”, and not an attack or directed towards anyone here. However, if this makes you angry or defensive, I suggest you try and figure out why. Is this franchise more important to you than the well being of trans people? Something to ponder in your own time.)

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The same thought did run through my head when I saw their introduction. But I don’t think HP fans owe me my sense of safety. Outsourcing my emotions and feelings in general to other people’s actions, speech, or mere presence never seemed like a good idea. I can’t let irrelevant things like whether random people like HP or not affect me that much.

But —— That’s only speaking from the mental health side of the view. Can’t comment on the social side of this whole JKR and her TERF thing.

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