Confession: I think Moffat era is great

I honestly think Series 5,6,8,9 and 10 are peak who,Series 7 also has some great stuff,idk when you ask someone whats their fav era lots say 10th doctor and Series 4,I barely see anyone talking about something like Series 6 or Series 8,idk maybe im just deluded for this wbu?

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My hot take is that the Moffat era has highs and lows.

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I’m in agreement. Steven Moffat Who is the best of Who since Cartmel at least, and possibly even since Hinchcliffe. Just really like his approach to the show. I don’t think it’s all that uncommon of an opinion.

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I think that season 5 has one of my favorite arcs of Doctor Who (note: I’ve only seen NuWho).

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5, 6, 7, 10, all very special series to me. I think fortunately now it’s not 2012 anymore it’s not controversial to be a Moffat lover anymore

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I liked for the 2012 comment being funny, but still slightly disappointed that two of my top 3 Moffats are omitted.

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Moffat era good. I’m biased as it was my first era and the thing that got me into Doctor Who, but I just think it’s wonderful. While he did make some missteps in his era, such as overusing the angels, I still love it all, and it’s a very special era to me.

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Hang around here long enough and you will see that all the eras are loved more or less equally and have their lovers and their detractors. You’re not deluded for enjoying what you enjoy about Doctor Who. We all like different things about the show.

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I also love the Moffat era and it also was my first era. His era has some of my favorite episodes and companions. 7 and 9 are some of my favorite series.

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The Moffat era is by far my favourite era of new who – I probably enjoy all six of his series more than any others in RTD’s and Chibnall’s eras (in preference order 10, 9, 8, 6, 5, 7); his companions are some of the best in new who at least (I personally find Bill, Clara, Amy, and River to be some of the most interesting characters in new who); and I admire his writing abilities much more than the other showrunners – he’s the one that wrote many of my favourite episodes like WEAT/TDF, HS/HB, TIA/DOTM, deep breath, husbands of river song, the pilot, the snowmen, TPO/TBB, etc.

This isn’t that much of a controversial opinion anymore, I think since Chibnall’s era started it’s become much more popular to hate on him instead, and praise Moffat along with RTD, though there are still some strange pockets of New Who fans I occasionally encounter who say things like ‘Moffat is good at writing single episodes when kept under control by RTD, but terrible at being showrunner’ (Do they really think that something like TGITF is better than WEAT/TDF?)

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My take: Moffat delivered some truly brilliant stories and storylines. However, there were no lasting negative consequences—at least for the “good” characters. Someone dies? A fixed point in time? Ah, come on, there’s always a way out…

I believe this was detrimental to the overall storytelling. So, personally I go with the “highs and lows” perspective.
That said, I’m happy for everyone who only found highs in his seasons. :slight_smile:

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I like Moffat’s era in parts. I think 12’s era is great and I really like series 5, but I haven’t seen S6 or S7 since they aired and I didn’t love either (especially not 7) at the time.

My main issues with his era are lack of consequences as Goibniu said, Moffatisms (lots of horniness and one liners) as I’ve complained about before, and often I felt like his stories and arcs went for “more clever by half” in a way, in that they go more overcomplicated than they need to be. The horniness especially bothers me because I feel like 11 in series 5 reads very much as aroace to me but then series 6 and 7 has him snogging folks and all that and I hate it!

But overall I like his era as a whole.

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I love the Moffat era (Twelve more than Eleven though)!

Moffat and Chibnall are my favourite show runners!

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I love much of the Moffat era, although there were times when I thought it tried to be too ‘witty’ for its own good. It’s like the great man had watched City of Death and thought, ‘let’s make everyone speak like this all the time!’

What I mean by this is, occasional eccentric lines are wonderful and can produce laugh-out-loud moments (my favourite is an exchange between Duggan and Romana. Duggan: ‘You know what I don’t understand?’ Romana: ‘Probably.’). But when every line tries hard to be witty-as-heck, it comes across as forced, unnatural and increasingly irritating. Case in point Let’s Kill Hitler. Some of the lines make my brain swim! Just speak normally occasionally, I’d shout at the screen.

That kind of thing aside, I loved that Moffat undid some of the excesses of the RTD era (not so happy to see those excesses come gushing back recently); I loved the complexities of the stories. I didn’t enjoy the arcs (most of them didn’t have much of a resolution), but I enjoyed the fact that while the destination was often disappointing, the journey was great fun. I didn’t like Amy Pond; for me, she represented when sassiness crosses a line and she becomes unforgivably brattish and unpleasant. But then, I thought The 12th Doctor, Bill and Nardole provided one of the best TARDIS crews we ever had!

So, hits - and very high ones a lot of the time - and a fair few misses for me.

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Idk, that which you perceive as sometimes forced and overly witty is the exact kind of dialogue I want in my Doctor Who. I don’t find it excessive at all. I’ve never thought Moffat was trying too hard to be clever or making things too complicated at all. I think it’s very exaggerated just how complicated his plots were, and don’t think they were that complicated. Maybe at face value on first watch when you don’t have the full context, but I think once that context is known, you can see how it all fits together on rewatch.

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I’m a fan of Moffat’s era, but the problem with that concept is that, really, it shouldn’t only work on a rewatch. It should work on a first watch. That’s where you are going to start to lose the general audience who aren’t going to spend days, weeks, months and years poring over, revisiting, discussing and teasing out the full story from entire seasons-worth of stories.

I’ve rewatched lots of the era and I still don’t really understand the Silence arc.

For all RTD and Chibnall’s faults as writers (and, boy, are there some) they were much better at giving stories which work for the different types of audience than I think Moffat was some of the time (especially with his arcs).

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I think the way River sums up the objective of the Silence is really all they are, a group that fears the power the Doctor wields and the danger he can bring to the universe. A bit theme of 11’s eras is the Doctor being this larger than life mythical figure to people, but he doesn’t really take his status seriously, and thus doesn’t really understand the negatives of his actions. The Silence exist as a reaction to the hubris of the Doctor’s life.

Things get a bit complicated when you factor in Time of the Doctor, because then the Silence become a bootstrap paradox, forced to essentially declare war on the Doctor in order to facilitate their own creation. Ultimately I believe the events at Trenzalor are what ultimately lead to the creation of the Kovarian chapter, imagine finding out that this being through his mere existence has brought war and countless deaths to this small world, and not only that but this man singlehandedly wields the power to inflict upon the universe the return of the most devastating war in known history. While I agree Moffat could have handled some stuff better, I think the purpose of the Silence is ultimately to serve the overarching theme of worshipping the Doctor and all the pros and cons that come with that.

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I don’t mean that it works only on a rewatch. I mean that everything might not be immediately clear until it comes together in the end, and then when you rewatch you can go back and see how it was all there from the start. I’m saying I think his arcs are well crafted.

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That sums it up nicely. The Silence storyline is all one big time loop that spans essentially the entirety of the 11th Doctor’s time.

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