Yeah, I was going to say, the gun thing is dubious as to the accuracy of it.
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Part 2 about my thoughts on bigeneration
This is mainly about 14’s ending. I originally wasn’t going to make this but thought I would get my thoughts out.
I don’t like that David Tennant is always available to use because of 14 being on Earth. Stop using him for everything. Let other doctors have the spotlight. He’s not that special. I don’t mind him in the 50th but does he always have to come back at every anniversary? It feels like the show is using him as a crutch if the show isn’t doing so good. They better not bring him back again. There’s a thing as too much Tennant.
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I don’t think that this is any different then any other Doctor. They are all always available.
They really don’t. They just had a lot of other Doctors in the episode before. And others will hopefully come back again. It is also a question about availability. I would love 9, 11 and 12 to comeback again but I don’t see that happening. 13 as well but that was not an option for the 60th.
I hope that he and others will be back at the 70th anniversary.
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The other Doctors are traveling through the universe while 14 is is stationed on Earth where he can more easily turn up when he’s needed because he can see when an invasion is taking place. He’s also in close connections with UNIT because of Rose and Kate.
I know that the other Doctors aren’t as available as Tennant is but it would be nice to see others besides him. It’ll feel repetitive if he’s the only one to return alongside the current doctor or in something like the 60th.
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I understand that people feel like Tennant is “too popular” as the Doctor, but it’s just like Tom Baker was in the Classic era - if you asked anyone in the 80s or 90s about Doctor Who they’d all mention him.
It’s just because Tennant’s Doctor was the current Doctor when the show got massively popular, and also he was very good, so he’s stuck in people’s minds.
Moffat said that at one point during his writing the 60th he didn’t have any Doctors because they couldn’t get the timing to work, it was going to be just Clara! So the fact that we got him back was something special.
Tennant has been back for the 50th and for the 60th, that’s twice in a decade. I really don’t think we are getting “too much Tennant”.
I’d like to see more of the Classic Doctors come back, but they are now much older and look nothing like they used to, so it would seem very out of place. They were in Power for the 100th BBC anniversary.
This is why RTD invented bigeneration, but then people complain about that.
I think because Eccleston, Smith and Capaldi have been too busy or reluctant to come back it has made it look like “too much Tennant”, so it’s not really his fault is it? And not a case of favouritism on RTD’s part.
If Tennant comes back for the 70th I will be very happy. He is a huge fan as well, and has such goodwill to the show, he was the first modern Doctor to do Big Finish and he did loads of it, I think it’s wonderful to have him as part of the show and I wouldn’t want it any other way.
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I know I’m the only person who rolled their eyes when Tom appeared as the Curator in Day.
I don’t see having him as the only classic Doctor back for that story is any different to this ‘they overuse Tennant’ idea. Tom was the Doctor who was going to be the focus for The Dark Dimension with the other classics in little more than cameos.
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That is very fair, and I agree. It would’ve robbed the moment of being a surprise twist.
That being said, it’s almost a shame they didn’t make a little more of 13-14. “Why did this face come back?” could’ve been a little more than what they made of it. You could’ve had the Doctor ponder if it was due to external forces. Maybe he could’ve speculated to Shirley - “regeneration doesn’t usually feel like this, it’s like I’m still full of it, something feels off, but I can’t place it.” That way you’ve seeded that something is amiss, and something may go awry when 14 eventually regenerates (bigenerates) but without spelling out what the twist is gunna be. I dunno.
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Agree to disagree then. I just find it annoying
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I like the idea of bigeneration… but only as a one-off. Tenth/Fourteenth is the only incarnation that would actively benefit from being able to separate and settle down (it’s the ending he needed in my view, especially after how poorly The End Of Time handled his character exit). I definitely understand worries that him technically still being around invalidates Fifteenth as the new Doctor, but in this one case, I get why RTD did it. It even gave lore fodder for how the Curator came about, which I like.
But it shouldn’t be a regular thing. I don’t want to see this return when Fifteenth inevitably regenerates, or at any point afterwards. It’s one of a number of ideas from the RTD2 era that really shouldn’t work, and yet were given just the right framing to do so (like with the acknowledgements to Flux and The Timeless Children, unpopular as those two stories seem to be). I doubt he, or anyone to follow, could catch that lightning in a bottle twice.
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The one thing I like about bigeneration is that it has one thing in common with me: we are both bi
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Some people in this thread may enjoy this:
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And I thought, “Don’t you know, talking about regeneration sounds like a whisper…”
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I don’t care for the bigeneration stuff, just to preface this, but I did see a fun fannish theory the other day and thought it’d be the sort of thing fans could buy into…
The Valeyard was always a bit of an oddity. Said to be an “amalgamation” of the darker sides of the Doctor’s nature, taken somewhere “between his twelfth and final incarnation.” What if he was the result of a bigeneration? What if a Doctor, at some point, bigenerated and all the ‘darker sides’ were siphoned off into a sideways incarnation, later known as the Valeyard. Akin to the whole ‘14/15 therapy/healing’ stuff, what if the Valeyard was the result of a bigeneration discarding some of the Doctor’s worst traits, which manifested themselves into the Valeyard.
And then imagine if said bigenerated Valeyard incarnation learnt that he was unable to regenerate. Stuck, as is, forever. Mortal. And so he decides he wants to overcome this, hence the whole Trial of a Time Lord in which he wants to steal back the Doctor’s remaining lives.
I don’t buy it, and I don’t much care either way, but I thought it was a fun fannish thought experiment.
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What if bigeneration led to a multi-Valeyard story? The Five Valeyards, or some such?
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I think it’s fine. Just needs to have a WAY better explanation. And something that so very, very rarely happens. Like it might happen once and then no more. I just can’t get past that it’s introduced, not explored, then the one throw away line we get explaining it is that. Many such cases.
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