Audio Club: Zagreus

It’s time to listen to and discuss Zagreus

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Once you’ve listened, talk about it below! Even if you listened to it before and just want to discuss it - dive right in! Just please use spoiler tags where appropriate.

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I have like 5 exams today and still need to listen to Davros and Master but I’ve been waiting for this one for SO LONG I will get to it today SOMEHOW regardless!!!

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Good luck! That’s 8 hours of your day devoted to Big Finish!

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I had fun with Doctor Who: Infinity War. 9/10

Sure it’s a lot of crowd-pleasing fan service and cameos, but I’m a fan and had fun. Not much more I can ask out of this and it helped me get through the Canada Post strike.

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I could not imagine my time spend any better.

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I still wind up thinking about Hades any time I see this audio’s name, though I know the name Zagreus is from mythology and can be used by anyone…

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Honestly this story deserves a lot more praise.

It is such a clever story. It is complicated, yes, but that’s the point. It is a conundrum. And a great one to say the least.

I saw very strange complaints about it.

-“I did only one or two audios and then this one. I didn’t understand a thing.”

  • Well of course, silly, because it is a story arc finale! It’s like watching “The Stolen Earth/Journey’s End” without any prior Doctor Who episodes, of course you’ll be confused.

-“It’s not a traditional multi-Doctor story I expected.”

  • Why not? It’s the beginning of BF’s experiment era, and experimenting with multi-Doctor formula is always appreciated because of how many possibilities it has!

I would honestly rate this story a solid 10/10. It’s a rare conundrum of the story that has amazing payoff worth the wait. Plus, there aren’t many that surreal stories out there. And this. This was an epic saga.
Everyone’s performances were great, and a lot of interesting and intriguing ideas about different lore elements. And the way it all clicks together brings me nothing but joy.
The Doctor, Charley, Romana, Leela, Rassilon, the TARDIS, i can go on and on about how great that story is.

I love “Zagreus” so much.

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Are we continuing with the Main Range in this “main” Audio Club?

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I haven’t listened to this since early last year, and haven’t transferred my review from the stinky site to here yet. So here’s a copy paste from there of my thoughts from 2024 :sweat_smile::
"Everything everyone has always said about this story is true. It’s way too long, it’s way too convoluted, it’s a mess and it requires way too much previous knowledge.

BUT

It’s super fun throughout, everyone is bringing their A-game performance wise, the final part is a mixture of unironically great Who and so silly and campy it becomes great, and I have mad props and respect for this story for being so bold and experimental and weird.

I highly recommend listening to it in 3 parts though, and NOT in one go. I feel like if I did the latter I’d have lost my mind."
I gave it a 5/10 which reading this review feels a bit harsh? I think it’s because the length and messiness did really bother me more at the moment than I actually articulate here. I’ll up it closer to a 6 now based off my old words!

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I really like this story. I’m a fan of when Doctor Who just does crazy stories, and this is absolutely a crazy story. I think the second half of Wonderland and the first part of Heartland are the best parts of the story, but I’m a fan of everything in 7’s part of the story and the Doctors bickering in Wasteland

Is it a bit messy? Yes, but it’s still absolutely worth a listen.

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:crazy_face::crazy_face: it adds to the experience!!

a. wow can’t believe we’re at 50 already!
b. I don’t care what anyone says I LOVE Zagreus. It’s bananas and it’s fun and it makes wild leaps of logic and it’s soooo long and it’s great <3

AND it’s the reason we have Gallifrey because it’s the first time Lalla and Louise worked together and they basically demanded that they got a series together because they became such good friends so fast <3

And it has so many iconic bits! All the actors! Paul McGann’s weird sexy voice! Romana writing fanfiction! ‘Not a word brave hunter’!

Yeah I love this one

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We are indeed. @shauny is desperate to listen to Scherzo.

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I too love Zagreus.

The ‘not a traditional multi-Doctor story’ complaint is utter nonsense IMO. There seems to be ‘received wisdom’ in fandom that multi-Doctor stories need to replicate The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors in terms of having all the Doctors join up and have an adventure. It was the same received wisdom which saw people getting their knickers in a twist over The Day of the Doctor and the 60th anniversary specials (especially Wild Blue Yonder).

But it’s nonsense. The Five Doctors is actually the only story where the ‘traditional’ multi-Doctor thing works - and even that is technically only four Doctors. The Three Doctors stick Hartnell on a screen for the duration.

The ‘multi-Doctor’ story fans think exists is really just a figment of their imagination and, let’s face it, how would anything beyond five Doctors even work narratively, especially by the time of the 60th. It’s ridiculous that some fans think that would even begin to work.

As for Big Finish. Well, they did a ‘traditional’ multi-Doctor story ten years later for the 50th - The Light at the End - and that drew a fair amount of criticism too - mainly for being too ‘straightforward’ as it were.

I think Zagreus is a brilliant way of celebrating a Doctor Who anniversary in a different way. Allowing all the then regulars to come in and play different parts is such fun and the story is all still tied into the Doctor and Gallifrey and the show in general so works as a celebration.

It’s an absolute joy to hear Davison, Baker and McCoy in their other roles all of which are really only one step removed from their Doctors. My favourite bit is Winkle’s Wonderland as I love Disney so a whole post apocalyptic Disney World is right up my street.

India Fisher holds the whole thihg together so well and we even get appearances from Nicholas Courtney, Elisabeth Sladen, Anneke Wills, Jon Pertwee (even if he’s almost unintelligible) and a springboard for the Gallifrey series with Lalla Ward and Louise Jameson.

And of course McGann is great.

Is it a bit long - maybe, but I’ve never felt bored listening to this as so much is happening across its three discs.

It’s all I can do not to go and give it another listen. It’s brilliant!

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It’s weird, it’s wild, it’s awful, it’s amazing, it’s convoluted, it’s simple, it’s flawed, it’s perfect. It’s a story full of contradictions. It’s so much fun, everyone is on their A-game, and I love it.

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While I do hear the complaints about Zagreus being too long or confusing, I’d say this audio is pretty well lauded within the fandom. I hear more praise for it than genuine dislike, especially as the Eighth Doctor fans have been on their fannish crusade to get more fans to listen to it.

With that out the way, I also thought the story was way too long, but I’m not someone who cares for the audio media format unless its music. It’s difficult enough for me to listen to the regular length stories, so this being some three-hours long was a slog. Also I’m neither a fan of multi-Doctor stories nor am I interested in non-Sixth Doctor EU content for the most part, so I found myself bored through most of it.

The only parts that I liked were the Colin and Nicola section (I LOVE Tepesh and Ouida and I wish they had a spin-off) and Sylvester’s Uncle Winkie section for this reason:

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In this house we stan Uncle Winkie!

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I could hardly get through this story. I cant stand how convoluted it is, I only saw it as a incoherent mess that was a real chore to get through. Which it sounds like people can understand yet it still regularly gets rated around 8/10 here, madness!!

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Perfect summary of my thoughts!

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Well, Zagreus is certainly a unique and memorable celebration of 50 MR audios and 40 years of Who. It’s epic, it’s long, it’s complex and bonkers, and it’s a marvellous feat that they’ve brought pretty much every BF actor together and allowed everyone a moment in the spotlight.

I might need to relisten to it sometime, but as of now, I’ll give it a 9/10.

Summarized review

Zagreus is a grand tribute to 40 years of Doctor Who, packed with references, past Doctors, and companions, making it both a nostalgic epic and a dense exploration of the show’s mythology.

Spanning over three hours, the story blends chaos, horror, and science fiction across three distinct parts, delving into Gallifreyan lore, the Divergence, and Rassilon’s legacy. Its fragmented structure mirrors its themes of madness and disorientation.

Paul McGann shines as the fractured Doctor/Zagreus, and India Fisher anchors the story emotionally as Charley. Past Doctors and companions in new roles add intrigue, with Nicholas Courtney and Colin Baker delivering particularly memorable turns.

The dense narrative and layered references reward long-time fans but can overwhelm casual listeners. The ambitious storytelling is both its strength and its potential drawback.

The Doctor’s heartbreaking decision to cast Charley out adds emotional depth, while the introduction of the Divergence paves the way for the Divergent Universe arc, leaving a lasting legacy beyond its ambitious yet divisive runtime.

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