Adoption and Doctor Who

I must admit, this threw me and made me believe she was either alien or created by an alien or something. And it wasn’t really properly explained.

Your headcanon of the Goblins doing it could work, but doesn’t really seem like their MO.

It’s a bit of a plot hole, and a unforced error from RTD.

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I honestly end up wondering if she was actually supposed to have something special going on with her originally, then RTD changed his mind…

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Or, it’s coming next season :slightly_smiling_face:

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Would anyone care?

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Well that depends on the story being told?

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I dunno. I feel when you set up a mystery, then subvert expectations, then try to add a mystery again… :roll_eyes:

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If done well I think it works well.
I really don’t think there was an explanation to the snow, why the father didn’t pop up in a DNA search or why Maestro said that she was wrong and had a song in her heart
I am kind of hoping that that story isn’t done. Also something is going on with Mrs Flood who just happens to be Ruby’s neighbour?
I would like some of these things elaborated upon :slightly_smiling_face:

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& all this would contradict RTDs idea that he wanted Ruby to be a normal person, with no special powers or parentage. He has come out & directly said that when referencing the influence of Rey from Star Wars.

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What if she is a normal person but she’s being set up somehow by her neighbour Mrs Flood…

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That could be a super interesting direction to take a story🙂

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Although slightly similar to how Missy set up Clara to return to the TARDIS (she was “the woman in the shop” who gave Clara the Doctor’s phone number in The Bells of St John)

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Reusing or revamping storylines in Doctor Who? :scream: The very idea… :wink: Terry Nation would be proud :grin:

Mrs Flood must surely be behind some of those shenanigans surrounding Ruby, at least I hope to get some answers during season 2 :blush:

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The reason I think that the Goblins were behind it is because their MO is all about causing bad luck and coincidences, and I think that Ruby having no DNA matches with absolutely anyone is major bad luck, and too coincidental that absolutely no one in her entire birth family, immediate to distant, didn’t do a heritage DNA test when the amount of people that have done them you would at least have matches with 3rd-4th-distant cousins.

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I’m going to polish the script up so I can get on with recording the video “essay” on YouTube titled the Doctor being an adoptee and foundling not originally from Gallifrey fits!

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I use the end of The Chase as the first example of the Doctor’s abandonment issues, but would you guys agree that the way in which the Doctor left Susan is an example of that too? He could see that Susan was tired of drifting and not belonging, and didn’t want to leave David, so do you think that because he was scared of Susan asking to leave or knowing that she would, he did the thing insecure people do when they’re afraid of the other person doing what they’re afraid of, and left Susan so she wouldn’t leave him?

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Oh, yeah, I can see that. When it to comes to abandonment issues and having a hard time to say Farewell, the first Doctor is really up there in that regard. I do like that Reading, and it does make sense considering what we see from him later down the line!

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The departure of Susan at the end of The Dalek Invasion of Earth is far more about the Doctor knowing that Susan will never leave him and that it would be at the expense of her own happiness. She would sacrifice her own life because of her bond with the Doctor so he knows he has to make the choice for her because it’s in her best interests to stay and put down roots.

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The reason I have an issue with the idea that the Master should’ve been the Timeless Child is the logic behind it, that a child is abused and neglected by their parent = a damaged and evil maniac, which is a really cliched and harmful trope in media. As someone who was neglected and abused, it’s frustrating that this seems to always be the backstory to an evil character. It also adds to the history of portraying care experienced (adopted, fostered, kinship, residential care) people, like myself, as damaged and broken children who are destined to be home wreckers and criminals, just think about the kind of message that sends to care experienced and abused kids and grown ups watching the show. The hopeful message that comes out of the Doctor being an adoptee and victim of abuse and neglect is that despite their traumatic childhood, they can go onto lead a happy fulfilling life and can be the hero, which is a really positive message and something I wish I had growing up.

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I can see that perspective. The reason I like it is because one of the big characteristics of the Master is that he’s always coming back somehow, despite not supposedly having any regenerations left, so it’d make a fair amount of sense to me if that was where regeneration came from.

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The Master keeps coming back because they’re clever and always have a back up plan. And one of the big motivations of the Master in Classic Who was to become immortal and gain new regeneration cycles, he was always trying to survive, not something he’d have to do if he had infinite regenerations. The Master is always cheating death because they always find some clever way to escape and survive.

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