What is your most controversial opinion?

I think if people want to seek them out then that’s absolutely fine, I know there are people for whom not knowing things hampers enjoyment. A friend of mine cannot read a book without first reading the last page. Not how I enjoy stuff but I’d never tell her she was wrong for doing it, she can do her.

Why they’re called ‘spoilers’ is because they spoil other people enjoyment, not because they spoil an episode per se outright. Knowing there are people who do not want any foreknowledge at all, or as little as possible, and revealing things anyway is spoiling it for them and so while I don’t mind people seeking out spoilers and leaks, people who deliberately spoil other people aren’t playing fair.

Like if my friend told me how a book she was lending me ended, I’d be annoyed. But I understand why she does it, even though I don’t want her to dictate that I do the same.

Also, for me personally on the issue of leaks with regards to Doctor Who, I have a slightly different outlook from my view on them with other media I consume and that’s down to how I’ve engaged with the show since the 90s. I usually watched every story knowing how it panned out already. That isn’t to say I like or need to know everything for a new episode, the newness and unfamiliarity with a new episode never gets old (seriously, every time the titles kick in I can still can’t believe there’s a new episode of Doctor Who, even 20 years later). But because of how I engaged with this show historically, I find a little bit of an extra frisson in finding out which spoilers are true, half-true and just plain false.

I can understand why discussing them adds to the hype of certain episodes for a lot of people, but naturally try not to involve people who are actively trying to avoid them. And it’s not like I always do it, I’ve had spells of avoiding them completely too but, well, I’m not as invested in this year to be honest and kind of want to know a bit more going forward because of how poorly I thought things were handled last year. So I’ve had a glance at them as an extra layer of enjoying the show when I’m finding the episodes harder to like.

Spoilers for Story & the Engine:

So I had read beforehand that the Fugitive Doctor was meant to show up, but it didn’t ruin the episode for me and the reveal when she did. Though I understand why it would for others.

I’d say a ban on a dedicated leaks discussion thread is maybe a tad too far in my own personal opinion but if there is a ban if there’s a next series then there’ll still be other places people can discuss them elsewhere so it isn’t a massive deal.

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Well he is some of these things

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I do get what you’re saying (although I can’t quite compute why your friend does that with books…) and I get about it adding to the hype.

I suppose, my question to you would be from a comedy angle. A joke doesn’t work as well if you already know the punchline although you may still get amusement from it in the future (I rewatch dinnerladies every year and it still makes me laugh). Jokes are ruined if you know the end.

A joke is structured around the punchline. A story is structured around its plot reveals - and by that I don’t just mean surprises or shock twists; I mean in terms of what you want the audience to know and not know at any given point.

I stand by my opinion that is a disservice to the writer to spoil that structure. There has been a fair bit of ‘I wish I hadn’t known that…’ implying the enjoyment of the story would be greater. Therefore, the discourse about episodes is affected and I think negatively so.

But I do get what you’re saying about not policing how people approach the show and wouldn’t want to prevent a spoiler/leak thread in future years. It’s part of fandom, but it isn’t a part I want to be involved in and, as you say, when it leaks into other spaces - that’s what REALLY rankles me.

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Mastodon does! One of the reasons I much prefer it. Also you can easily mute tags for a limited period of time.

It’s just because someone has to moderate it, so someone has to be spoiled… if anyone volunteers then they can carry on :laughing:

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Jokes aren’t exactly the same as stories, though. And, also from a professional side of things, you’d be surprised how many people love hearing the same joke so while I appreciate it, the comparison doesn’t exactly work for me.

It’s also why the stereotype was born that Germans have no sense of humour. Nonsense, of course. They absolutely do. But the sentence structure is so rigid that a standard set-up/punchline structure doesn’t always work. But set-up/punchline isn’t the only joke structure and there are plenty of avenues for humour.

I think I’m trying to say there are also plenty of avenues for enjoying a story outside of the story itself. It ruins it for you, it doesn’t ruin it for everyone and it’s not something everyone will understand.

I fully understand where you’re coming from and agree to an extent but my major point was, people just enjoy things differently and we can’t police that, only respect others’ preferences. It’s why they’re called spoilers, they spoil things for some people. They don’t spoil things for all people though.

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Another thing I just thought about with the joke thing… Most comics outline what the gist of a bit/routine/joke is to each other when working through stuff. It doesn’t stop the finished, polished stage version of that being really, really funny if it’s pulled off well.

There’s a lot of stuff other than the nuts and bolts, and knowing some of the nuts and bolts doesn’t necessarily ruin the whole kit.

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All fair points. (And totally why I put this in the controversial opinion thread) :wink:

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I don’t think it’s controversial at all, personally. If someone wants to spoil themselves, go right ahead. If a group of people who enjoy that sort of thing want to get together and discuss said spoilers in a space dedicated to that, have fun. It’s when someone forces the info on the rest of us, often because they ‘just don’t see what the big deal is,’ that we have a problem.

If people want a spoiler thread here moving forward, I have no objections so long as the info remains there. Hopefully such a thread can be monitored by someone who also likes spoilers. If not, my heart goes out to whomever is stuck with that unfortunate chore…

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Been thinking about it more lately, but I might just say it, since it’s fairly controversial even around here (if the average Ratings are to believe):
Season 24 is actually pretty good, in my Opinion. I can see why it’s often held as one of the least liked Season, it’s definitely one which you either get along on pretty well or really not. But personally speaking? I do think it’s great. While I have a preference for the other McCoy Seasons (mainly because they have more Ace), this season has a lot to offer in my Eyes.
I really enjoy Mel and 7, the more ‘silly’ Approach on 7 while not my favorite can be fun.
Time and the Rani while a messy Opener (and simply speaking in terms of a Regeneration Story for 6, terrible), has grown on me (although I could be bias since I am pretty sure it was my first Who Story!) And well the whole Part of Sixie’s Regeneration has already corrected with not one but two EU Regeneration Stories for him (not sure how good the Book one is).
Paradise Towers is just great, but then again as far as I know it’s probably the most liked one from the Season(?), at least going from all the positive Word of Mouth.
Yes, Delta and the Bannermen is fun as well! I said it!
Oh, and Dragonfire is very nice! Great Effects! The Introduction for Ace, what more can you want? (It’s a good Story but probably the one that I am the least in the rush for a Rewatch).

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if this is a ‘wrong’ opinion then I don’t want to be right

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Ah, but you see there are no wrong Opinions on TardisGuide, all Opinions are valid (unless they are hateful, but we didn’t have such cases thankfully!) :wink:

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You are officially allowed to stay.

And thinking Delta and the Bannermen is a great story isn’t even close to being a controversial opinion,
its-just-facts-facts

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The 1st doctors era is boring.
Yes i know Hartnell had health problems but after watching pretty much every other doctor - he just seems slow and dull in comparison.
The pacing is slow and tbh i find most of his era boring and not very attention grabbing
Maybe i’ll try giving it a go in full someday but i’d rather start a classic who watch with 2 or 3 onwards.

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Here’s one. Most 6-parters aren’t too long, assuming you don’t try to watch them as a whole in a single go.

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Two-parters FTW.

One-parters FTW2

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Late replying to this but as a kid, I saw these and was amazed.

I researched about how the colours meant ranks, and my parents bought me the Blue Dalek, and I loved him. And the alien eyestalk too, the bulkier design.

I wish they kept it and refined it instead of getting rid of it due to rainbow scheming.

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As for the spoilers debate, whilst I love the show (obviously) my favourite eras are over and have been for years. I don’t feel like I’m losing any enjoyment.

Idm reading spoilers, but I do judge the episodes on their own merit. Care more about execution than the concept.

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Not at all DW related, but i suppose my hottest take is that i don’t like Breaking Bad. I think it’s been ruined by the memes and it’s so hard to take seriously now.

I also never felt engaged with any of the characters outside of Walt, Jesse and Gus. Interestingly enough the opposite was true when i started Better Call Saul, i think that’s a much better show and I’m barely 2 seasons in

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I do agree that BCS is better, but I still love Breaking Bad a lot

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That’s certainly a hot take, but I can definitely imagine the way it’s been memed to death could take one out of the story. I do think it’s a fantastic show, with great characters, but I think I do agree that BCS is just a little bit better.

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