Speculation, rumours, and leaks about Season 2 (2025)

People legit thought missy was Rani because nethersphere, weird experiments, dead people comminicati from the afterlife but turned out to be Master

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The way Mrs Flood seemingly wants to stay hidden from the Doctor = hide and seek. The Toymaker warned us that his legions are coming. Put this together and you have a woman playing a game, so following the vague leaps of logic like those made in this thread, Mrs Flood could be the Toymaker’s evil sister or one of his playthings… a pawn in another game. We don’t have anywhere near enough to properly go on, so anything feels fair game to speculate about.

It’ll be interesting to see if Mrs Flood’s motivations and character become clearer as each episode goes on.

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Can’t really think of an example of that.

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People have suggested every female character = the Rani ever since about 2005, in fairness. But also, you just proved your own point in a way. Just because something could fit with something else, doesn’t mean it will do.

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He did change the Master up quie a bit.

I’m not saying I don’t like what he did with the character, but people certainly complained about how much had been changed.

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Exactly, people often think it’s the Rani when it’s not. You’re making my point for me.

And the Master’s motivations here were to build an army to give it to the Doctor for a present, because then he can stop the baddies. It shows how the Master wants to be liked by him, and how the Master misunderstands people in general. It was really good characterisation and not out of character at all imo.

Plus that was Moffat! You can’t use Moffat’s writing to explain RTD’s.

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Ok then utopia, big project to get people into space, scientist

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Let’s face it, people thought Missy was the Rani because she is middle aged and female.

She reveals herself to be the Master in the story you just quoted so not a single person on Earth thought she was The Rani after that episode. Makes no sense.

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When he was under a Chameleon Arch!

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Again, no-one thought this was not the Master because it was revealed in the episode

And it was the Chameleon Arch that made him act differently, just as John Smith acted differently in Human Nature.

It’s perfectly good characterisation.

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If we say every woman in Doctor Who is the Rani, by the laws of probability, one day we’ll be right. Even if it takes us til the heat death of the universe.

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This conversation between logic and the leaker (or maybe the leaker’s biggest fan) is great lunch entertainment :slight_smile:

Popcorn gif

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New band name unlocked.

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Yeah I love a good debate but feel like we are going round in circles and I’m wasting my time.

If I’m wrong I’ll be pretty embarrassed :joy: but if I’m wrong then the writing isn’t good.

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(There’s also the possibility that wires have been crossed somewhere along the line. We could get the return of the Rani, with Archie Panjabi, but she might be nothing whatsoever to do with Mrs Flood… jus throwing that out there. But I agree with Shauny - this discussion is going nowhere fast.)

I remember when it was rumoured that the First Doctor would be the person in the Vault in Series 10… he wasn’t, but he did appear in the Christmas special, and it turned out someone was in the Vault. Just an example of how different bits of information can sometimes get muddled in rumours and leaks.

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Oh yeah I said above this is what I believe is the actual answer.

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The thing is that she can be the Rani and the leaker might be legit, but as it stands now, we have too little information to know either way, and only time will tell.

If you are embarrassed for not believing a random YouTube commenter, then you get embarrassed very easily…

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The only things I’ll say is considering Archie Panjabi if she is the Rani would mean she’s from Hindu background (coincidence? Likely) and not Asian like Evans said in his leak, also he got the ex bf and the planet being named after her right despite the name being slightly altered to Belinda Chandra one and not world

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I missed that episode :sweat_smile: /j

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Istg autocorrect sometimes

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