Episode Discussion - “Joy to the World” the Christmas special 2024

I think we could do with a CEO character for Villengard that we could cut to to give these schemes the Doctor gets involved with some connective tissue.

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That could also be a fun main bad guy for the next season

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I’d like more of a Villengard arc, but worry that only Moffat will carry that on, and we don’t know if he’s ever coming back to write more.

I kind of see this story as a prequel to Boom because here they create a star which gives them unlimited energy to create all their weapons factories, and they also help create a religion which is responsible for so much war, and eventually leads to the creation of the Anglican Marines who are at war in the far future and use Villengard weapons in Boom!

Keeps you fighting, keeps you dying, keeps you buying.
War is business, and business is booming.

Whatever you say about Moffat, I think he’s a clever guy :blush:

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The one who dealt with Villengard once and for all is presumably 9 or earlier, given 9 says he had done so and it was replaced with a banana grove.

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I vote for 7 to be the one that took care of Villengard. :stuck_out_tongue:

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It was the War Doctor. This happened in one of the comics.

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On the one hand that’d be nice

On the other, Villengard seems to often be a stand-in for just capitalism, there’s no one person you can take down to stop them going on, whatever you do the system will keep plodding along, and I think putting a face to the organisation could take away from that

…then again, a PR or HR rep as a villainous face for the corp instead of a CEO could be good

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Gah, got there before I could say it

But yeah, it’s in The Many Lives of Doctor Who, and it’s unfortunately meh

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Shame. 7 had some pretty anti-gun and anti-weapon moments, and I’d love to hear him say “Villengard”…

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Oh absolutely, I mean this is only a 4 page comic, and a meh one at that, I couldn’t mind at all if some other medium were to give an alternative explanation/story (I would say de-canonise it, but we all know that’s not a thing round here)

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Okay this is interesting…

The woman on the train is credited as ‘Sylvia Trench’. This is one of James Bonds love interests and there’s definitely a resemblance.

Is Bond canon now?

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I noticed that when checking the actor list on the wiki, but forgot to point it out. And according to this Mashable interview, Moffat intended to make Sylvia Trench canon in Doctor Who:

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Well, according to the comic “The Doctor and the Nurse”, Ian Fleming based James Bond on Rory, apparently…

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Hmmm… Do we know how much time had passed for 15 since leaving Ruby? Seems like a great canyon BF could exploit explore in about like ten years?

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I fear that Ncuti will be too busy for Big Finish but yeah that’s a gap that can be used! Love the gaps that Big Finish can fill.

However it’s not been too long because he is still getting 2 cups of milk for the coffee, so he hasn’t come to terms with her leaving yet.

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Well, a year passed in the episode since then…

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Well we know it’s certainly less than six centuries because the Doctor still remembers her (spoiler for 8DA Orbis) /j

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So I’m ten minutes in, finally having the chance to see this thing in a busy holiday season, and I’m having a blast so far! This show looks so beautiful these days and the Time Hotel is so very fun for a concept and setting.

I’m not reading anything in the thread yet, though. I just wanted to record this for posterity. We’ll see how the rest goes. So far the case is sinister as hell and it’s so sad what just happened to that Trev guy while I was typing this. :frowning:

EDIT: This extended sequence of us watching the Doctor live out a whole year with Anita is amazing.

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The production values really are so high. I love it!

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