Doctor who and gender

I guess my perspective comes from the reflection that it is not seen as queer for women to wear what would traditionally be seen as masculine clothing. With trousers, shorts, waistcoats, etc. being co-opted into “womenswear”. Whereas the reverse is not true. As a society are protecting “men wearing feminine clothes” as being a queer thing. It is currently queer / GNC for me to wear a dress, but in a more progressive society, in my opinion, that would actually not be the case.

For me, my queerness comes from me being attracted to people of the same sex, rather than my wardrobe. I agree, for now, that it is helpful for GNC people to fall under the LGBT+ banner because we face some of the same issues that are faced by people within that larger group. I’ll also note that the challenges I face are a tiny fraction of those of trans women. I ultimately appreciate that all this happened in an effort to better serve and protect trans women who are routinely attacked by the press for just existing. That is a very noble aim.

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I think it depends on the clothing in question–I say this as a butch lesbian, and as someone who has thought a lot about this. Frequently when masculine clothing is marketed towards women it’s cut differently and fitted to emphasize different parts of the body. It’s definitely still more socially acceptable for, say, a woman to wear a suit than a man to wear a dress, but I guess I would just point out that sometimes clothes are gendered in fairly subtle ways. Ideally of course people would just wear whatever they want without worrying about gender, and I wish for you a world where you can wear a dress without it being considered at all out of the ordinary, but alas!

But yeah, I really am just glad RTD is thinking about trans women at all. That really is what it comes down to.

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Thank you @felix :heartpulse:

My lesbian friends are all femme, and my trans friends are women so I haven’t had a chance to properly have this conversation with anyone with your perspective - and a great point that I hadn’t considered. :slight_smile:

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I wonder if the show will ever attempt to ‘explain’ in universe why the Doctor was white man for 13 incarnations before becoming a woman and black man in succession.

If I was asked to come up with one I would say that now the Doctor is beyond the 13 incarnations given to each time lord their regenerations are bringing on more drastic changes.

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Of course, this might imply that they’ll keep getting more drastic, maybe eventually getting less human looking Doctors…

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i don’t think we need an explanation. true randomness very easily results in clusters of similar results, i’m happy to chalk it up to that. out-of-universe it’s pretty shameful we went so long before seeing a woman or person of color in the role though.

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To be fair, not quite in succession

They did have about 48 hours as David Tennant in between

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The three genders: man, woman and David Tennant /j

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Maybe when the Master messed with his regeneration, it messed it up in such a way that he now regenerates into David Tennant every other regeneration…

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Incidentally, I could support that being a white man was a 12 generation thing in that in Curse of Fatal Death, the 13th Doctor was also a woman. Even in a different timeline, that’s when the doctor starts changing things up.

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