Flood away.
But I don’t see what you’re saying there. I don’t think that’s a reference to the TARDIS - because if it is, it’s very vague.
Flood away.
But I don’t see what you’re saying there. I don’t think that’s a reference to the TARDIS - because if it is, it’s very vague.
I just thought it was interesting that it could possibly be a reference to it if they only had the right to use the Daleks and were being a tad circumspect with regard to anything else.
I’m certainly not saying it’s concrete evidence or anything. ![]()
It seems safe to say that these news reports are fully intended to place the Daleks in this shared universe.
These are from the covers of #8 and #9:
But aren’t those just promoting the in-story events of the Dalek strips? Or are they placing the Daleks in other IPs? Is Krattorian from an Anderson series?
I’m still working out all the details, but the use of the Space News Agency is intriguing, as I’m pretty sure it’s the agency that reports the Fireball XL-5 stories. So, my research is essentially two-pronged in that I’m identifying details that tie each group together in both the news agency framing device and within the stories themselves.
At this point, I’m still in the first story for both Thunderbirds and Stingray, about halfway through the second story for the Daleks, and have just started the second story for Fireball XL-5.
Here you go, you should find the issues you want in here. Anyone else interested is welcome to the contents too. TV21 and TV21 adjacent comics and annuals:
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(Sorry folks, but the mods have agreed we need to always tread carefully with copyrighted material, even when it is decades past).
Thanks so much!
I’ve just finished reading issue #15 (1 May 1965) and now things are starting to become interesting! This issue marks the first part of the Fireball XL-5 story relating the conflict with the planet Astra, the planet to which Vicki and her father were travelling in The Rescue. Now, I know some would consider it a coincidence of naming, but I find it interesting that at this point not even four months have passed since the airing of The Rescue. I’ll continue to conduct research, of course, but it’s appearing as if we may need to add Fireball XL-5 to the site.
In other TV Century 21 news, Lady Penelope has become a correspondent for the news agency framing device, further tying her stories into this shared universe. Also, the antagonist in the Stingray story The Atlanta Kidnap Affair, Titan, also appears in the first TV Century 21 Stingray story (issues #1 - 7), so that one may need to be added, as well, depending upon our criteria for inclusion into the Beyond the Whoniverse section of the site.
Finally, at this point, there appears to be no connection with Burke’s Law, My Favorite Martian, or Supercar, which I somewhat expected due to those features all taking place in contemporary 1965 rather than the shared universe of 2065. I’ll continue to read them until I’m certain they don’t connect in any way.
More to come!
A bit of 1960s telly trivia unrelated to Doctor Who or Daleks: Gary Conway played Detective Tim Tilson in Burke’s Law. He later turned up in TV21 again as Captain Steve Burton in the Land of the Giants comic strip.
The thing is Astra, as a planet name, is used in various sci-fi shows (a quick google throws up Astra Lost in Space, an anime; and a reference to it in Marvel comics) and obviously has Greek roots as a word where ‘astron’ means star or constellation.
I want to believe it’s a deliberate link but, for me, it’s still not explicit enough. I’m just not convinced it’s closeness to The Rescue’s broadcast is enough.
Yes, the name is used in sci-fi (the phrase ad astra appears in the Aeneid), but aside from Virgil, my research didn’t turn up any instances of it being used prior to 1965 either in literature or in film/television. This is why I brought up its use here and in The Rescue as a possible connection with the two instances appearing in such proximity.
Hypothetically, let’s say you’re Gerry Anderson and his writing staff at TV Century 21 and you want to add some hints that your shared universe crosses over without getting into legal trouble. At this point, you have the rights to the Daleks and Skaro, but the use of Marinus, the Sense-Sphere, or Vortis would certainly be rather obvious; however, using Astra wouldn’t be, as it’s a Latin word and can be easily explained away.
All I’m really saying at this point is that each of these pieces of evidence could be explained away on their own, but eventually there may be enough of them to render the case in favor compelling and unignorable. Will that happen? I’ve no idea, honestly, but I’ll keep chronicling the possible connections here and let the PTBs decide. ![]()
A crossover between Thunderbirds and TV Century 21 itself, thus bringing all the cover stories into the fold as the reports of an in-universe news agency:
This may just be enough to justify accepting the crossovers with the Daleks as legitimate.
I just posted this in the road to 10,000 stories thread, but I’ll add it here just so everything is in one place:
So these planets that keep spotting the Daleks. Are they from the Anderson series?